From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 11 14:14:40 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B87E81065672 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2011 14:14:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43AFB8FC13 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2011 14:14:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p5DCBD126.dip.t-dialin.net [93.203.209.38]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id pBBEEcvq097372 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2011 14:14:38 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id pBBEERH1052896 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2011 15:14:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pBBEELL6064329 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2011 15:14:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201112111414.pBBEELL6064329@fire.js.berklix.net> To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Fri, 02 Dec 2011 17:00:18 PST." <4ED974A2.7080606@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 15:14:21 +0100 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Subject: Re: CVS removal from the base X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 14:14:40 -0000 Doug Barton wrote: > On 12/02/2011 04:35, Adrian Chadd wrote: > > I think you're missing the point a little. > > > > The point is, you have to keep in mind how comfortable people feel > > about things, and progress sometimes makes people uncomfortable. I > > think you should leave these changes bake for a while and let people > > get comfortable with the changing status quo. > > The fact that we have so many people who are radically change-averse, no > matter how rational the change; is a bug, not a feature. > > This particular bug is complicated dramatically by the fact that the > majority view seems to lean heavily towards "If I use it, it must be the > default and/or in the base" rather than seeing ports as part of the > overall operating SYSTEM. BSD is more conservative. More value given to stability of availability of interfaces & tools etc, More Long term professionals. Doug's attempting to force working FreeBSD ports such as procmail to be discarded is deplorable. Doug should stop coercing FreeBSD toward a Linux model, & move himself to Linux. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, & indent with "> ". Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable.