From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 18 13:03:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 935B41065672 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:03:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan.naumov@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f171.google.com (mail-yx0-f171.google.com [209.85.210.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B5CE8FC1A for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:03:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe1 with SMTP id 1so985043yxe.3 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:03:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=7g+XwKWY1pNkGYGd7TdJkkgeLRHbvlQKFKKgiUHbUA8=; b=V/TXLT2KbCPxIzfP/gbXhVtlWigBAtUYp2l9mM3CrD8ODvMyl+OIhdvOs/pwACoUBJ fg14W8ThpyXqK8qFcmf8BGNqdeuS+yTct8byZYQT497j+G4aXXI8WmLYh69GZPoUGghN feBrVPykdLdzo7AH9pymwGrbgUZkCSD+fHp/g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=woWFX9NmnPuunUlKKXAxOUI/A1+frfrkED6xbJpEteajb0hRm1/QxraNY5mQybztHV 2TJg64eL+8mj3f7LOtLl6X0DW3UiMq/snoNC6WNgZ/4djrKOqvtDdepawdg7mSAOnCvC vhNqLv/owrcZvBNa2bGgu3dJJsxfL48iLcHIk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.10.6 with SMTP id n6mr2567109ani.17.1258549400483; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:03:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20091118135340.522fa36a@ernst.jennejohn.org> References: <20091118135340.522fa36a@ernst.jennejohn.org> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:03:20 +0200 Message-ID: From: Dan Naumov To: gary.jennejohn@freenet.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:17:18 +0000 Cc: freebsd-current Subject: Re: request: LOADER_ZFS_SUPPORT X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:03:22 -0000 On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Gary Jennejohn wrote: > On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:44:12 +0200 > Dan Naumov wrote: > >> > WHy not just build from source? >> >> Because expecting users to build from source to install or update >> their systems in the year 2009 is an outdated concept, this is why we >> have freebsd-update in the first place. >> > > This is such a load of BS I could fertilize 100 acres with it. > > In this day of inexpensive computers with fast mulit-core CPUs and > gigabytes of memory this argument is completely lame. No it is not. The fact that computers are faster today is not a valid excuse to inconvenience the users whatsoever. It is bad enough that sysinstall doesn't support ZFS so a ZFS-only installation has to be done purely using a commandline, but demanding the user to rebuild the system to be able to boot off a filesystem which is one of the most advertised features of FreeBSD 7.x and 8.x is plain ridiculous. What if the user is a newcomer who doesn't _HAVE_ an existing FreeBSD installation he could use to build a ZFS-boot-capable FreeBSD installation image? If a user goes to www.freebsd.org and downloads the .ISO images of 8.0, it is completely unreasonable to force the user to jump through having to make an installation, rebuild the sources, make a new .ISO for his own use and then reinstall using that. If you don't see WHY, I don't quite know what to tell you. - Sincerely, Dan Naumov