From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 19 11:49:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA19571 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 19 Mar 1995 11:49:58 -0800 Received: from estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (estienne.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.42.147]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA19565 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 1995 11:49:57 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA26851; Sun, 19 Mar 1995 11:49:43 -0800 Message-Id: <199503191949.LAA26851@estienne.cs.berkeley.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: estienne.cs.berkeley.edu: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: dufault@hda.com (Peter Dufault), freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Rave rave rave In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 18 Mar 1995 18:03:50 PST." <199503190203.SAA22253@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 11:49:42 -0800 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >[cc: trimmed] >... > >> The Windows orientation of sales, and other non-technical "decision >> makers" involved with computers, is our biggest challenge in >> furthering FreeBSD in industry. I have clients who will have >> burning bamboo splints shoved under their fingernails if Chairman >> Bill says they should so that they won't miss the second coming of >> Microsoft. >> >> I've had to "work" with Windows for a few months. There are many >> young engineers (yes, you kids out there) who think it is NORMAL >> to have to power cycle your computer three times a day. When in >> desperation I moved some tools to an underutilized Sun system in >> order to get some work done, and promptly started getting core >> dumps, one of the kids said, in all honesty, "See? You have the >> same kind of problem on Unix". I just stared at him. What else >> could I do? That Sun had 62 days uptime, and he STILL won't grant >> me that the core dump (and then debug) is better than the power >> cycle. > >Better demo... have something compileing in one window, something >your debugging in gdb in another, and then produce that core dump. > >Now ask this Windoze weenie what would happen to him if he even >attempted to do that under Windoze... that usually sinks the point >home real quick! Have the Windoze 95 weenie open up DOS debug have him assemble a small program that disables interrupts and goes into a tight loop! > >> I'll retitle this "Rave rave rave" and I apologize to the list in >> advance. > >:-). > > >-- >Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com >Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ==============================================