From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Sep 12 15:14:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3610237B400 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:14:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org (hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org [64.239.180.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B0743ED8 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:14:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dave@jetcafe.org) Received: from hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8CMCb160562; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:12:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dave@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org) Message-Id: <200209122212.g8CMCb160562@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Terry Lambert Cc: "Neal E. Westfall" , Giorgos Keramidas , Joshua Lee , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why did evolution fail? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:12:32 -0700 From: Dave Hayes Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert writes: > Dave Hayes wrote: >> > Life is a local increase in order, by definition. >> >> I don't know about that, I've seen the floor of a stock exchange or >> a busy park with lots of kids. That doesn't look like order to me. > > The stock market is not alive, the people are. Read carefully, oh admonisher of careful reading. I said "the floor of a stock exchage". >> >> ...using your particular arbitrary set of presumptions as >> >> axioms. ;) >> > >> > Don't worry; my presumtions are a subset of nearly everyone's. >> >> Never mind that verifying this is close to impossible, would you >> like to tell me just how you learned everyone's presumptions without >> first making a bunch of your own? ;) > > I didn't make a generalization, so your statement is incorrect. My statement was a question, so your attempted refutation is non-sequitor. Note the use of a question mark. ;) >> > It makes me incredibly tolerant, >> >> This is wrong by observation. You aren't tolerant of trolls. A >> truly incredible tolerant person would be. QED. |) > > I haven't hunted them down and dealt with them. I think that > it demonstrates incredible tolerance, to not act when one can. I think it demonstrates incredible arrogance, to say you can act but you don't. It certainly isn't tolerance. >> > and much easier to convince by way of logical argument. >> >> Oh I doubt that highly. > > How would you know, since you haven't really tried any? Well, first I would have to understand your definition of "logical". The definition I used above is obviously inadequate for you. ;) >> > Even if, like you, you pretend to irrationality to try and expand >> > the set of allowable behaviours as a governance of our own internal >> > rules. >> >> I don't pretend to it. I know it, and it's inverse. I use whichever >> one is appropriate at the time. > > You act like Gregory Benford's "Changeling" character More labels. To Terry Lambert, all the world's a label. ------ Dave Hayes - Consultant - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org >>> The opinions expressed above are entirely my own <<< A banker is a fellow who lends you his umbrella when the sun is shining and wants it back the minute it begins to rain. -- Mark Twain To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message