From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 08:25:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1882E1065673; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 08:25:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@larseighner.com) Received: from mail.team1internet.com (mail.team1internet.com [216.110.13.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD56E8FC08; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 08:25:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix, from userid 12346) id 5434E16B601; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 03:25:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from larseighner.com (unknown [216.110.13.94]) by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6F50D16B5C2; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 03:25:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: by larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@larseighner.com; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 03:18:56 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 03:18:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@debranded.6dollardialup.com To: Doug Barton In-Reply-To: <4A7BB49D.5060803@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: <20090807031841.V63824@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> References: <20090806203123.F28161@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <4A7BB49D.5060803@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Sanitizer: Anomy and SpamAssassin mail filter - see http://www.6dollardialup.com/support/spaminfo.html Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ports completely and permanently hosed X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 08:25:27 -0000 On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Doug Barton wrote: > Lars Eighner wrote: > >> Believe me, if I can get back to my printer, camera, and mp3 player >> all working (which last occurred about 6.2 or so) I'll never upgrade >> again. Of course it is kind of lonely when your release is orphaned, >> which happens in the blink of an eye, but if the kernel supports all the >> hardware, I'm pretty sure I can install any apps that I suddenly decide I >> have to have myself. > > I'm not saying this to be snarky, but you might seriously consider > trying another open source operating system to see if it meets your > needs better. It's has been about 10 years since I tried some flavor of Linux. At that time it was pretty much et up with GUI-itis. Now I do see by the stuff that gets spilled over that the GNU command-line stuff is getting a little better, and in fact some of the native BSD utilities have been replaced by them. Anyway, if I install something and it boots to a GUI without asking, it is to the ash-heap with it (or in the case of OS2 back in the box with a sharp demand for a refund). It seems to me I tried a couple of other BSD flavors and the deciding factor was that the console keyboard was so easy to edit. It was like a dream compared to the others. > There is a reason that there are so many choices out > there nowadays, different people have different needs. For all the > strides we've made in the "desktop/end user" areas in the 15 years > I've been a FreeBSD user it is still, primarily, a server system; > especially when compared to other systems like Ubuntu that are focused > on the end user. So people who run servers just don't expect that ports will be maintained so that they can be managed by port management applications? Maybe they don't care. Actually the server stuff does tend to work real well. > You're clearly very frustrated, and I'm not going to judge whether > your frustration is justified or not. But before you expend a lot more > energy railing about the sad state FreeBSD is in you might want to put > that energy in a more productive direction. -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266