From nobody Fri Jan 26 15:24:32 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TM1hV05qlz58KMC for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2024 15:24:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from madis555@hot.ee) Received: from SMTPOUT09.DKA.mailcore.net (smtpout09.dka.mailcore.net [194.19.134.9]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtpout09.dka.mailcore.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TM1hS2ctdz4RwD for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2024 15:24:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from madis555@hot.ee) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=online.ee header.s=mailcore header.b=N2MMx451; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=hot.ee; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of madis555@hot.ee designates 194.19.134.9 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=madis555@hot.ee Received: from SMTP.DKA.mailcore.net (unknown [10.1.0.53]) by SMTPOUT01.DKA.mailcore.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A7A1E024F; Fri, 26 Jan 2024 16:24:37 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=online.ee; s=mailcore; t=1706282677; bh=GNzE+DZ62syBR4SrsiVCZl/b4shF3mqcfexOXDyyrAw=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=N2MMx4512gSo6kHDrvUiaqXWRBfXFK1NBTMNS73HDFw4Qp6cjh4sr2T1X47KJcRwh 8+J+e4NxG4emd53vA7G/RE8oYzi6E7xSLKpfXKHUtB5xNgud58DCgDBi41FEYxHovT nXh0rnfnt7y9i9+45oKkyOIKz/B69QuGZkPies+r58oqfp7VTC9He73AqAK7FYRih3 73V4qvnobXpk8AdNbYvypERfJQdxId1GOUB/xhHv5GbcgXLqDFh6CCCmCUq8V6ls+q zqxMfhzDxDRcSLLyGCWFGO4b3m7+Q8KmMiVxq/u0TIQiM5TqXyjZb/QpLDlOFvlfc0 RS91aojAIFX1A== Received: from [127.0.0.1] (65-43-196-88.dyn.estpak.ee [88.196.43.65]) by SMTP.DKA.mailcore.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3D277400B2; Fri, 26 Jan 2024 16:24:37 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2024 17:24:32 +0200 From: Sulev-Madis Silber To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Removing fdisk and bsdlabel (legacy partition tools) User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53EA2837-A30A-49D9-9897-E99FB471D82E@hot.ee> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.89 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.89)[-0.887]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[hot.ee,reject]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:194.19.134.0/25]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[online.ee:s=mailcore]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[online.ee:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:3308, ipnet:194.19.128.0/18, country:SE]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[hot.ee]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[hot.ee] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TM1hS2ctdz4RwD call me new, i only started with 4=2E6, being 19 years old at that time, wh= ich is pretty good i think i've always found anything but gpart way too confusing to use=2E by that t= ime i started with fbsd, chs was also gone for good=2E hence, no need, and = when gpart came, i just switched over=2E and i consider myself a slow adapt= er to some of new things also, why would ufs users need to be immediately assumed to be only using = anything but gpart? it's not like ufs is some old legacy=2E also i don't re= ally believe you could really use 15 with all the features except of some d= isk tools=2E on all new hw=2E on old hw, you won't be using 15=2E because f= disk is not the only thing we removed over years=2E unsure if sad or happy = path=2E nbsd seems to support everything still i see=2E i don't know, maybe= i should have really started with actual unix where i would have gotten li= felong preference to fdisk and disklabel=2E high respect if those ones read= this tho but yea, from all the replies, only thing i see is fdisk and disklabel is = more comfortable to use, while giving no technical benefits at all=2E fuck = knows if that's the reason to keep them then i recall myself objecting before when there was call to remove grdc and po= m=2E can't say about pom, i've used it for fun sometimes=2E grdc found use = when checking if times are in sync=2E but those really belong to ports=2E i= t not like those disappear or get banned=2E i could put them there myself, = if it comes up again and i still miss them we have moved a lot of things to ports already, since 4=2E6=2E altho, if p= kgbase comes along, some argue against it too, it would be hard to draw a l= ine where the "base" ends=2E what's "officially" supported and what's not but yeah, i can confirm that a lot of changes have annoyed me=2E switch to= pkgng=2E or that libxo breaks stuff=2E pkgng now works i think, xo is stil= l crapshoot=2E despite, i admit i like being able to get json from sysutils so yeah changes kind of suck, but they still happen?