Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 16:09:52 +0100 From: Bas Smeelen <b.smeelen@ose.nl> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SU+J on 9.1-RC2 ISO Message-ID: <50968540.4010105@ose.nl> In-Reply-To: <50967F27.80909@m5p.com> References: <20121103190930.GA23145@icarus.home.lan> <50967F27.80909@m5p.com>
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On 11/04/2012 03=3A43 PM=2C George Mitchell wrote=3A =3E On 11/03/12 15=3A09=2C Jeremy Chadwick wrote=3A =3E=3E =28Please keep me CC=27d=2C as I=27m not subscribed to -stable=29 =3E=3E =3E=3E I=27ve CC=27d Nathan Whitehorn=2C who according to bsdinstall=288=29= is the =3E=3E author =28not sure if maintainer=29 of the code=2E =3E=3E =3E=3E This default has already begun to bite users/SAs in the ass=3A =3E=3E =3E=3E http=3A//lists=2Efreebsd=2Eorg/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2012-Nove= mber/246069=2Ehtml=20 =3E=3E =3E=3E =3E=3E SU+J =28the journalling part specifically=29 needs to be disabled by= default =3E=3E in the installer=2E This default was a very bad choice and should n= ot =3E=3E have been done=2E It either indicates someone was out of touch with= the =3E=3E rest of the issues surrounding the feature=2C or that someone =3E=3E intentionally decided =22it=27s the best way to get people using it= for =3E=3E testing=22 =28I have seen this justification presented in the past= =2C and it =3E=3E is the wrong approach=29=2E =3E=3E =3E=3E However=2C since some people DO want it =28and those folks don=27t u= se dump=29=2C =3E=3E the installer should be modified to make SU+J support toggleable via= a a =3E=3E checkbox=2E The default=2C obviously=2C should be unchecked=2E =3E=3E =3E=3E If the user checks the checkbox=2C an ominous warning message should= be =3E=3E displayed informing the user of the repercussions=2E The only optio= n at =3E=3E that point should be =22OK=22=2C after which the checkbox is checked= =2E =3E=3E =3E=3E Do not tell me =22send patches=22=2E This issue/problem has gone on= long =3E=3E enough=2C and the community bitched hard/long enough=2C that the per= son who =3E=3E committed this default should be responsible for fixing it=2E =3E=3E =3E=3E We should operate under the assumption that this bug/problem will ne= ver =3E=3E be fixed=2E It probably will be=2C but again=2C we must operate wit= h the =3E=3E assumption that Kirk et al will require years to fix it=2E =28It ha= s =3E=3E already been something like 9 months=2E Or is it a year=3F=29 =3E=3E =3E=3E =5B=2E=2E=2E=5D =3E =3E I will give this comment a BIG=2C BIG=2C +1! -- Georg= e A small patch already sent via pr http=3A//www=2Efreebsd=2Eorg/cgi/query-pr=2Ecgi=3Fpr=3D173301 Let=27s see what goes This e-mail message=2C including any attachment=28s=29=2C is intended solel= y for the addressee or addressees=2E Any views or opinions presented herein= are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of O= SE=2E If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please return t= his e-mail message and the attachment=28s=29 to the sender and delete and d= estroy all copies=2E
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