From owner-freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Wed Feb 26 17:35:43 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arm@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9290B25E54E for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2020 17:35:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd@www.zefox.net) Received: from www.zefox.net (www.zefox.net [50.1.20.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "www.zefox.org", Issuer "www.zefox.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48SNHd3kK1z4Jc3; Wed, 26 Feb 2020 17:35:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd@www.zefox.net) Received: from www.zefox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.zefox.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 01QHZw6w082364 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 26 Feb 2020 09:35:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fbsd@www.zefox.net) Received: (from fbsd@localhost) by www.zefox.net (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 01QHZwa8082363; Wed, 26 Feb 2020 09:35:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fbsd) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 09:35:58 -0800 From: bob prohaska To: Ian Lepore Cc: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org, bob prohaska Subject: Re: Showstoppers for RPI3 Message-ID: <20200226173558.GB82128@www.zefox.net> References: <20200225175446.GA77976@www.zefox.net> <11951E01-EC13-4FBB-938A-AEB5700C4281@yahoo.com> <20200226052045.GA79939@www.zefox.net> <04e8e290e5d7bb810f76ece4ff33d6e1006e63cd.camel@freebsd.org> <20200226164559.GA82128@www.zefox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48SNHd3kK1z4Jc3 X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of fbsd@www.zefox.net has no SPF policy when checking 50.1.20.27) smtp.mailfrom=fbsd@www.zefox.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.15 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; WWW_DOT_DOMAIN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.06)[ip: (0.25), ipnet: 50.1.16.0/20(0.12), asn: 7065(-0.03), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[zefox.net]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.64)[0.636,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.45)[-0.446,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7065, ipnet:50.1.16.0/20, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_WWW(0.50)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Porting FreeBSD to ARM processors." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 17:35:43 -0000 On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 10:07:12AM -0700, Ian Lepore wrote: > On Wed, 2020-02-26 at 08:45 -0800, bob prohaska wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 08:33:24AM -0700, Ian Lepore wrote: > > > > > > If you want to run freebsd on arm hardware, try using hardware that > > > people are actually working to support. If you must use crappy rpi > > > hardware, either run linux on it, or consider paying someone to do > > > the > > > freebsd support you need. > > > > How much money is involved? Personally I can't afford to hire > > somebody, > > but earmarked contributiions to the FreeBSD Foundation are feasible. > > > > What would be required to attract useful attention? > > > > I don't think earmarked contributions are allowed, at least not > something earmarked to a specific task or piece of work (as opposed to > something generic like "use these funds for advocacy"). If they were > allowed, a company could effectively use an earmarked contribution as a > way of hiring a contractor to write code, while writing off the money > paid to her as a charitable contribution to the foundation. > Ok, let's leave out the charitable aspect. It's not the main point. Permit me to rephrase the question: How would one go about attracting meaningful developer attention to making low-power ARM a Tier-1 platform for FreeBSD? I do not have the skills to develop. I'd like to use low-power ARM and want to encourage, so far as I can, the work of those more able. Is there a bottleneck somewhere outside FreeBSD, perhaps compiler development? Thanks for reading! bob prohaska