From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 10 11:35:55 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF8C616A4CE for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2004 11:35:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from hak.cnd.mcgill.ca (hak.cnd.mcgill.ca [132.216.11.133]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BEC143D41 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2004 11:35:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mat@hak.cnd.mcgill.ca) Received: from hak.cnd.mcgill.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hak.cnd.mcgill.ca (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0AJWQba067101 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2004 14:32:26 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mat@hak.cnd.mcgill.ca) Received: (from mat@localhost) by hak.cnd.mcgill.ca (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id i0AJWQEj067100 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 10 Jan 2004 14:32:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 14:32:26 -0500 From: Mathew Kanner To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040110193226.GA38657@cnd.mcgill.ca> References: <20040109203839.GK5994@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040109203839.GK5994@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Organization: I speak for myself, operating in Montreal, CANADA X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on hak.cnd.mcgill.ca Subject: Re: beastie boot menu, 4th (forth) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 19:35:56 -0000 [I've moved this to chat as i figure it's the best forum] On Jan 09, Roman Neuhauser wrote: [ snip stuff I not responding to ] > forth looks like it's an interesting (love/hate kind of thing) language, > and I'd like to get my hands on it. Can anyone recommend good (or just > any, really) introductory material? google quickly degrades into misses, > and just a few even of those. > I really like: "Thinking Forth, A Language and Philosophy for Solving Problems", Leon Brodie (ISBN 0-13-917568-7). This book has had the most profound effect on me of any programming document I've ever read (well, other than the turbo pascal 4 manuals). Although it's dated (hand drawn illustrations, dot-matrix font for source code), it's funny and relevant. I guess I'm so fond of it because it was the first text I'd seen that taught generally how to attack software engineering problems, the importance of elegance, how/when/where to generalize. etc, etc, etc. It should be taught in every high school. --Mat -- Applicants must also have extensive knowledge of UNIX, although they should have sufficiently good programming taste to not consider this an achievement. - MIT AI Lab job ad in the /Boston Globe/