From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 11 2:19: 1 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D99B37B400 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 02:18:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from raven.ravenbrook.com (raven.ravenbrook.com [193.82.131.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F193D43E3B for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 02:18:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nb@ravenbrook.com) Received: from thrush.ravenbrook.com (thrush.ravenbrook.com [193.112.141.249]) by raven.ravenbrook.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g6B9Ii853968 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:18:44 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nb@ravenbrook.com) Received: from thrush.ravenbrook.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thrush.ravenbrook.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g6B9IhZA060850 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:18:43 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nb@thrush.ravenbrook.com) From: Nick Barnes To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sshd vs ports sshd In-Reply-To: Message from Helge Oldach of "Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:23:16 +0200." <200207102123.XAA04329@galaxy.de.cp.philips.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:18:43 +0100 Message-ID: <60849.1026379123@thrush.ravenbrook.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 2002-07-10 21:23:16+0000, Helge Oldach writes: > Mike Jakubik: > >In no way am I saying that curtail services like syslogd or inetd should be > >taken out. But things like openssh, sendmail, certain libs, and basically > >most software that is available and up to date via the ports. > > No, it shouldn't. I want a full-function system with a decent MTA, a > decent secure login facility, a decent time synchronization facility, a > decent nameserver, and so on. I *don't* want a base system that isn't > good for anything but eating CPU. > > [...] It seems to me that everyone would appreciate a system delivered as a number of packages of some sort. Then if you wanted a system like the current release, you would install 'base', 'base-openssh', 'base-sendmail', 'base-bind' etc. The default install option in sysinstall would do all this, and so would "make installworld". If you want a more current SSH (say) you use a custom install option in sysinstall, or options to "make installworld" (e.g. in make.conf), or you _uninstall_ 'base-openssh', then you install the 'openssh-4.5q' package (or whatever). In fact, 'base' itself could potentially be rather tiny (does it need to include gcc, or perl)? I seem to recall, from the last time we went around this subject on -stable, that there is at least one project working on making this happen (possibly called "libh"). If you want this enough to gripe about it on -stable, maybe you want it enough to find out what the project is and help out. Nick Barnes Ravenbrook Limited To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message