From owner-svn-src-all@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 13 01:04:35 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5093BC0; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 01:04:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qa0-x233.google.com (mail-qa0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c00::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 28ED211EA; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 01:04:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f51.google.com with SMTP id f11so15373531qae.10 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2014 17:04:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-type; bh=ORExUezl0oUmtNHCdr9y2Bw3QIf/MFwRQXYAVI+btHw=; b=ugCR2Aa8Vdp5Lmvo4QTmRzECbGgi6fvyZw+rdZ+pGKbBwynve7nzDXseO4aI8mMmes FPojEaj/pWmJsNjiXSjv0hj8Mc+cND6NF31SszYCryEOiG4QsvToYw5XaoAy9X1AP1NP Qz5x/QWyIr0UlcN23wVfH7A45i/cXQq8yPNeyIW9hHsdBb5+HYbTT7aGm4UwhO06p8Gy o1wcrpVOuIaTiNelA/CxRiuvH46VvMYkBKmjNhHduO33gFLGIgllA1SS0nDxKRr0Gx/w /XiyPqiFIK60E+250TEGwUUXgW6CYwcm/AuOfCU54iT0U3/jRASiYyAO2FDHvHbCiYYM ydvw== X-Received: by 10.224.62.14 with SMTP id v14mr34397480qah.79.1392253474319; Wed, 12 Feb 2014 17:04:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from kan.dyndns.org (c-24-63-226-98.hsd1.ma.comcast.net. [24.63.226.98]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id q10sm447618qaj.13.2014.02.12.17.04.31 for (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 12 Feb 2014 17:04:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 20:04:13 -0500 From: Alexander Kabaev To: Jung-uk Kim Subject: Re: svn commit: r261801 - head/contrib/libc++/include Message-ID: <20140212200413.71c6db5b@kan.dyndns.org> In-Reply-To: <52FBC570.6080003@FreeBSD.org> References: <201402121814.s1CIEo5A016765@svn.freebsd.org> <52FBC08C.30309@FreeBSD.org> <52FBC570.6080003@FreeBSD.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.3 (GTK+ 2.24.22; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Sig_/ry9Uh8QAFoP496vYODP7r/V"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Cc: svn-src-head@freebsd.org, Dimitry Andric , svn-src-all@freebsd.org, src-committers@freebsd.org, David Chisnall X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 01:04:36 -0000 --Sig_/ry9Uh8QAFoP496vYODP7r/V Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 14:03:12 -0500 Jung-uk Kim wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 >=20 > On 2014-02-12 13:47:57 -0500, David Chisnall wrote: > > On 12 Feb 2014, at 18:42, Jung-uk Kim wrote: > >=20 > >> It seems Apple removed it later. > >>=20 > >> http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/pipermail/cfe-commits/Week-of-Mon-20131125/09= 4181.html > >> > >> > >>=20 > Do you know what they did? > >=20 > > They decided to break ABI compatibility with the version of XCode > > that ships with the bug. This is probably not an option for us, > > although we might consider it for FreeBSD 11 with a library version > > bump (it would still be a lot of pain, as you wouldn't be able to > > mix C++ libraries), but probably not unless we see bug reports > > related to our slight standards non-compliance (std::pair having an > > explicit constructor) causing real problems. >=20 > I see. I am not a big fan of library version bump but standard > compliance is also very important for us, too. Hmm... :-( >=20 The refusal to use tools that are there precisely to help to help with the binary compatibility in favor of mindless library bumps is just sad. --=20 Alexander Kabaev --Sig_/ry9Uh8QAFoP496vYODP7r/V Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFS/BoeQ6z1jMm+XZYRAqCMAJ0cNGlAJhRNMjQNu2HI2lUDqI7xWQCcCVY4 NgFv7JAAvA8JP9bpfN2UVnY= =iV0i -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/ry9Uh8QAFoP496vYODP7r/V--