Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:36:49 -0400 From: "leegold" <goldtech@worldpost.com> Cc: <freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: new books, changing my pt. of view Message-ID: <001f01bff1a7$eb514eb0$82e2a4d8@beefstew> References: <85256920.005AFED7.00@Deimos.smed.com>
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----- Original Message ----- From: <Joe.Warner@smed.com> To: Linh Pham <lplist@q.closedsrc.org> Cc: <freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG>; <goldtech@worldpost.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 12:35 PM Subject: Re: new books, changing my pt. of view > > > Windows is easier to learn because of it's very nature. Yeah, exactly my experience. It's intrinsic. That GUI makes it like a Cadillac w/power everything. One of my points was that FreeBSD can play that game too via KDE or other windows managers - if you're willing to put a little work into it. When I loaded KDE it brought down the MS "house of cards". "Here is a GUI that's at least the equivalent of windows - I still have the unix command line too". > It doesn't really > let you do things you can do with an OS like FreeBSD. Nor is it, in my > opinion as stable as the BSD's. I've never seen any reports impartial or otherwise that does not put unix flavors 1st in stability. But I have crashed my FreeBSD by trying to write to a write protected floppy. It was mounted "legally" as an ms-dos floppy. > Because of the wide array of capabilities > of OS' like FreeBSD, most newbies start with the GUI and eventually migrate > to using the command prompt as their experience increases. Personally, I > feel KDE was fairly easy to learn and use. I feel that as more information > and publicity is made available regarding the strengths of the BSD OS, more > people will flock to it and will want to learn more. > > I have FreeBSD 3.4 running on a Compaq Deskpro at work and have been using > it sucessfully as a client/server. It's set up as an Apache server for our > local intranet, an FTP server and a Samba server. From a client stand > point, I've identified and reported problems on our network using the GNU > Ethereal - Network Protocol Analyzer. My co-workers/managers have been > impressed and are already showing an interest. > > I think if the BSD community gets the same recognition as the Linux > community has been getting lately and more publications are made available, > more people will flock to it and realize what a great OS it truly is. > > > > |--------+------------------------> > | | Linh Pham | > | | <lplist@q.clos| > | | edsrc.org> | > | | | > | | 07/18/00 09:53| > | | AM | > | | | > |--------+------------------------> > >--------------------------------------------------------| > | | > | To: leegold <goldtech@worldpost.com> | > | cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, (bcc: Joe | > | Warner/SMS) | > | Subject: Re: new books, changing my pt. of | > | view | > >--------------------------------------------------------| > > > > > > > I agree that Windows is easier to learn from the standpoint of a newbie > and Joe Coworker and there isn't anything wrong with that. > > I personally dual-boot between Windows NT 4 and FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE at home > and I use the latter just to tweak with it and learn more on my spare > time. I generally recommend FreeBSD in situation where someone needs a > server or a firewall and does not want to spend a fortune on software and > hardware. > > Stability and performance is a huge key of FreeBSD and OpenBSD, but the > price you have to pay is the somewhat steeper learning curve. The same > goes with Visual Basic versus C/C++. The former is easy to learn and can > do things relatively easy, but it's no where nearly as stable or as > universal as C/C++. > > I'm not saying that FreeBSD stinks as being a client OS, but that's not > only the fault of FreeBSD nor is it the goal of FreeBSD (I could be > wrong). The UI/GUI most be as easy to learn as Windows before anyone > starts flocking towards it. > > // Linh Pham > // > // Proud supporter of FreeBSD and OpenBSD > // FreeBSD - http://www.freebsd.org > // OpenBSD - http://www.openbsd.org > > /* "Oregon, n.: > Eighty billion gallons of water > with no place to go on > Saturday night." > */ > > > On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, leegold wrote: > > > Isn't anybody worried that the new O'Reilly books in the making will > leave > > the newbie w/the short end of the stick paper documentation-wise? Imo, > this > > is the current state of affairs. > > > > wait a second, > > > > But upon refection, I have been realizing that I am DIRECTLY comparing > WinNT > > and FreeBSD and I now think it's apples vs. oranges. A fairer comparison > is > > FreeBSD WITH KDE vs. WinNT. > > > > I know I'll be publicly flogged for saying this but NT is easier to learn > > and is apparently an easier OS to document for the newbie ( by is very > > nature and culture ) than Unix a.k.a. FreeBSD. I am primarily talking > about > > CLIENTS - yeah I think NT workstation is a good client. Kneejerks that it > > crashes is not true Imo. > > > > But, I'm immature: > > > > I think I should get w/the program and start thinking of FreeBSD as a > server > > and NOT continue trying to configure and learning it as an ultra-stable > > ( x ) windows client machine - cause I'm in that "mode" and I saw the > > "answer" months ago - KDE w/all the bells and whistles - truly amazing. > > > > so, x windows works, I can use Netscape if I have to. I think I have to > > explore the "core" of FreeBSD - as the ultimate internet server OS vs. > > client. Whatdya think? > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message
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