From owner-freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org Tue Dec 5 15:30:59 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-virtualization@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5EC3E6DA70 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 15:30:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dustinwenz@ebureau.com) Received: from internet06.ebureau.com (internet06.ebureau.com [65.127.24.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "internet06.ebureau.com", Issuer "internet06.ebureau.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 945037EF04 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 15:30:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dustinwenz@ebureau.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by internet06.ebureau.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26582846BA80; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 09:30:58 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mydomain = ebureau.com Received: from internet06.ebureau.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (internet06.ebureau.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Mpmqjt4bpUxN; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 09:30:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from square.office.ebureau.com (unknown [10.10.21.22]) by internet06.ebureau.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D0BFB846BA73; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 09:30:57 -0600 (CST) From: Dustin Wenz Message-Id: <32BA4687-AB70-4370-A9BA-EF4F66BF69A6@ebureau.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_60E27CC7-C84A-4297-9933-0550FAD7B252"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.1 \(3445.4.7\)) Subject: Re: Storage overhead on zvols Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 09:30:57 -0600 In-Reply-To: <5A26B9C8.7020005@redbarn.org> Cc: FreeBSD virtualization To: Paul Vixie References: <423F466A-732A-4B04-956E-3CC5F5C47390@ebureau.com> <5A26B9C8.7020005@redbarn.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.4.7) X-BeenThere: freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of various virtualization techniques FreeBSD supports." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 15:30:59 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_60E27CC7-C84A-4297-9933-0550FAD7B252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm not using ZFS in my VMs for data integrity (the host already = provides that); it's mainly for the easy creation and management of = filesystems, and the ability to do snapshots for rollback and = replication. Some of my deployments have hundreds of filesystems in an = organized hierarchy, with delegated permissions and automated snapshots, = send/recvs, and clones for various operations. - .Dustin > On Dec 5, 2017, at 9:22 AM, Paul Vixie wrote: >=20 > the surprising fact that came up in recent threads is that some of you = run zfs in your guests. that's quite a bit of unnec'y redundancy and = other overheads. i am using UFS in my guests. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-virtualization > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-virtualization-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --Apple-Mail=_60E27CC7-C84A-4297-9933-0550FAD7B252 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIEzDCCBMgw ggOwoAMCAQICAUEwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQELBQAwgZkxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlVTMRIwEAYDVQQIEwlNaW5u ZXNvdGExFDASBgNVBAcTC1NhaW50IENsb3VkMRAwDgYDVQQKEwdlQnVyZWF1MRQwEgYDVQQLEwtJ bnRlZ3JhdGlvbjEUMBIGA1UEAxMLZWJ1cmVhdS5jb20xIjAgBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWE3N1cHBvcnRA ZWJ1cmVhdS5jb20wHhcNMTcwNTA1MTYxNjE1WhcNMjcwNTAzMTYxNjE1WjBKMQswCQYDVQQGEwJV UzEUMBIGA1UEAwwLRHVzdGluIFdlbnoxJTAjBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWFmR1c3RpbndlbnpAZWJ1cmVh dS5jb20wggEiMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4IBDwAwggEKAoIBAQCQ/HJXe7JhUaexqEaxCNVifsue sUMgohgXLmi5YIcbAWhdxTr1PUzKYkeTkL9sYNjXU6uaI2tZMF3hA9gcFjxQIfkKSo31MrYOgMdU xQe0Q+t6Vd4pGAmtDQDwhAsrNGccADp3Yjy4eBtVfkDGdzz1Y8Lbc684TPFcW7i9+U/dDaXlcxeq fyDqiHZ5y8Lp/1M2Ot/Rz7eikJZTAuHOWKs/PEiJIM2JHuhPyNy+mL2oqEWeOcEsKMNzgn7HVt4k Xz2irBAG+cj4WAxWs418l46EEXgur4PvhBXZMl0LJg0TyaxOHbsUam4R4tbKnaZ3HhRkg79k2Had sb6DKbnCw9/1AgMBAAGjggFnMIIBYzAJBgNVHRMEAjAAMAsGA1UdDwQEAwIE8DAnBgNVHSUEIDAe BggrBgEFBQcDAQYIKwYBBQUHAwIGCCsGAQUFBwMEMB0GA1UdDgQWBBTLi/8HUHpbBEt9OtPqQoax AmpaNDCBzgYDVR0jBIHGMIHDgBRnpZeXB5rQYLgsUKqiiBcLIHyu6aGBn6SBnDCBmTELMAkGA1UE BhMCVVMxEjAQBgNVBAgTCU1pbm5lc290YTEUMBIGA1UEBxMLU2FpbnQgQ2xvdWQxEDAOBgNVBAoT B2VCdXJlYXUxFDASBgNVBAsTC0ludGVncmF0aW9uMRQwEgYDVQQDEwtlYnVyZWF1LmNvbTEiMCAG CSqGSIb3DQEJARYTc3VwcG9ydEBlYnVyZWF1LmNvbYIJAMwZcjAWAsWXMDAGCWCGSAGG+EIBBAQj FiFodHRwOi8vd3d3LmVidXJlYXUuY29tL2NhLWNybC5wZW0wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQELBQADggEBAHbO qVdB9raUKXCgZRA/nES5a60dlIaGnIlpgz+Y3SjFt0bcJxoUYhIzumBHk9yjyP4M1DubOphkQpJ4 LNZbAS01cjCxjnC0ZUq5V3FCeaDwrn1qPY+QJGoZPLlhWdJUNu17OpnR7ZfBWlp3/pRhvNU5PCbJ nmF7rnvsqxUFq9oeiV3SmqBux5lwJ7p2Uss5SHSW6g17K/KdTMK1roQr/+rWpxp2233qddDrLpOE xGRlvhEqSa/IZbGC9oiYmsiaG1PefQkadoob5IMIS5/MDpWHUgSHqAj1V/LwcCx0rbt73SazGMND EzHVWhsj+khepB/MG5QGfWP23IGFmvQYWWcxggOQMIIDjAIBATCBnzCBmTELMAkGA1UEBhMCVVMx EjAQBgNVBAgTCU1pbm5lc290YTEUMBIGA1UEBxMLU2FpbnQgQ2xvdWQxEDAOBgNVBAoTB2VCdXJl YXUxFDASBgNVBAsTC0ludGVncmF0aW9uMRQwEgYDVQQDEwtlYnVyZWF1LmNvbTEiMCAGCSqGSIb3 DQEJARYTc3VwcG9ydEBlYnVyZWF1LmNvbQIBQTAJBgUrDgMCGgUAoIIBxTAYBgkqhkiG9w0BCQMx CwYJKoZIhvcNAQcBMBwGCSqGSIb3DQEJBTEPFw0xNzEyMDUxNTMwNTdaMCMGCSqGSIb3DQEJBDEW BBTyR2BU3Alove+rYWhgA21q20K5TzCBsAYJKwYBBAGCNxAEMYGiMIGfMIGZMQswCQYDVQQGEwJV UzESMBAGA1UECBMJTWlubmVzb3RhMRQwEgYDVQQHEwtTYWludCBDbG91ZDEQMA4GA1UEChMHZUJ1 cmVhdTEUMBIGA1UECxMLSW50ZWdyYXRpb24xFDASBgNVBAMTC2VidXJlYXUuY29tMSIwIAYJKoZI hvcNAQkBFhNzdXBwb3J0QGVidXJlYXUuY29tAgFBMIGyBgsqhkiG9w0BCRACCzGBoqCBnzCBmTEL MAkGA1UEBhMCVVMxEjAQBgNVBAgTCU1pbm5lc290YTEUMBIGA1UEBxMLU2FpbnQgQ2xvdWQxEDAO BgNVBAoTB2VCdXJlYXUxFDASBgNVBAsTC0ludGVncmF0aW9uMRQwEgYDVQQDEwtlYnVyZWF1LmNv bTEiMCAGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYTc3VwcG9ydEBlYnVyZWF1LmNvbQIBQTANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAASC AQA6uJxw8XS4AumcsYbnPu7B3Q6auCehqQY/gy0B7ApnLBilwuwWPSVQGxdoBBIhHMkgieuPBb7D TUZlFAZZq6im+rVDDgZFY3jjs7OYe8qUjmu5nFEJGjyNoZoqqgBI2X4xYeAdxkr8On5TMtkRrnXo 3k4kCPUdpQk9q2J4dNSoOZ+qBxEoCKx1vzH+7qTG52Ox+9z4VKN/F3lhPaB0QInIaGFR8usp8LNO cl20uj8Eq43r7wu2VgzZ7voWzEeKIiiWYApbENEGMrA8SqCIawVifT8KBVK0/NjIsT1DcOkRXtg+ 7vdv00yVlmbobuvwZeWNTWpU5zwXKbmHSYQHNyqrAAAAAAAA --Apple-Mail=_60E27CC7-C84A-4297-9933-0550FAD7B252--