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Date:      Fri, 19 Mar 2004 13:22:58 +0100
From:      Michael Nottebrock <michaelnottebrock@gmx.net>
To:        freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, Paul Seniura <pdseniura@techie.com>
Cc:        Brooks Davis <brooks@one-eyed-alien.net>
Subject:   Re: I believe lang/icc* are not open-source nor 'free', right?
Message-ID:  <200403191323.02622.michaelnottebrock@gmx.net>
In-Reply-To: <20040319045833.ED0D811E771@scifi.homeip.net>
References:  <200403122136.i2CLaCm9096276@repoman.freebsd.org> <20040319020843.GA14259@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> <20040319045833.ED0D811E771@scifi.homeip.net>

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On Friday 19 March 2004 05:58, Paul Seniura wrote:
> >On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 07:51:59PM -0600, Paul Seniura wrote:

> OTOH, allowing mplayer to use its original author's -O3
> setting made a *huge* difference For The Better on the Puny
> Pentium2 -- it's actually usable now.
> Same goes for KDE and its millions of modules with -O2.

With regard to to KDE I am very, VERY, V E R Y certain you're fooling yours=
elf=20
there.

> But what about the public pkgs.
>
> Because of these -O tests on 'dumber' Ps, I have been on
> record on this list for wanting FBSD maintainers to stop
> editting the CFLAGS from the original author's settings.
> They likely have tested it with gcc on i386, we use gcc
> on i386, so the original settings ought to stay put.

Most authors don't test things like different optimizations at all, let alo=
ne=20
gcc 2.x vs gcc 3.x, and different platforms ... don't even start. Experienc=
e=20
clearly shows that CFLAGS/CXXFLAGS enforcement is necessary to reliably get=
=20
packages built on a multiplatform project like FreeBSD.

> IMO it'd be better time spent in getting gcc up to par. ;)

I've not been too-big-a-fan of the whole icc effort myself in the past (and=
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still don't have the port installed, nor am I likely to be going to - the=20
hoops you have to jump through to even get it are ridiculous IMHO), but for=
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all I can tell your worries really are unreasonable - all of them.

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