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On 2013/06/19 13:50, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 03:47:44PM -0400, Garance A Drosehn wrote:
>> Note that a major change to the FreeBSD repo would require that users
>> install a new 'svn' anyway, even if they did install 'svn' back when
>> they first installed FreeBSD.
>>
>> IMO, I think this 'svnlite' idea is a good move.  I wouldn't want a
>> full-blown official 'svn' in the base system, but just enough that
>> a user can immediately get freebsd-specific updates without first
>> needing to install some port.
>
> Frankly I find it somehow wrong that user who wants to immediately get
> freebsd-specific updates should use any source-control tools and compile
> stuff from sources.  That what developers usually do, not users.  Users,
> in their majority, do not like to build things, and that makes perfect
> sense.
>
> As Ubuntu user at $work, I never had to worry about how and where shall
> we get updates, yet the system somehow gets them, installs them, only
> occasionally asking for a reboot.
>

To do this, one has to put everything in a package managment system, let
the system resolve what should be upgraded via package dependence.

> Now, if our user is showing developer's attitude and wants to "make
> world", then it's fair to assume that he knows how to install things
> from ports, or has his own static svn client with him all the time,
> or mounts /usr/src over NFS -- whatever works better for him.
>
> ./danfe
>