From nobody Tue Jun 28 19:45:58 2022 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95AE88A79CF for ; Tue, 28 Jun 2022 19:48:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx1.riseup.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4LXZsZ5R63z3qmT for ; Tue, 28 Jun 2022 19:48:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from fews2.riseup.net (fews2-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.84]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.riseup.net", Issuer "R3" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4LXZsR2LY4zDqdQ; Tue, 28 Jun 2022 19:48:43 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1656445723; bh=vK0FJye/KPnTQ1JNt08qUTsVV9uqy9WtBIJNHZNXEww=; h=References:In-Reply-To:Cc:From:Subject:Date:To:From; b=qO+2fUmItEdPrSyXDFNTmFOpMjGOhHnVbI6QeY3bbXV1syoma4QQwCcMQTGcKiJId H5IaSAkj3rFAuUL7b24RGA3BYcx+jYZ3rsP8xgYU4D7Prfl+hXeO+ivvt87CjfPGqk 7GfYnKAgvKJb/dz1q+7D0hU6PXACHSFNwAN0roL4= X-Riseup-User-ID: FE02D01A5282402E71DE78D9B083EFE30C612CBA30225391D945F173CD5A125A Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews2.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4LXZsR0LXxz1yWw; Tue, 28 Jun 2022 19:48:42 +0000 (UTC) References: <89298009-9622-4E30-AD03-0A35220DA004@riseup.net> <799dcfe5a11e423c3e67c1fe5d5de6acd8953be8.camel@adminart.net> In-Reply-To: <799dcfe5a11e423c3e67c1fe5d5de6acd8953be8.camel@adminart.net> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Message-Id: Cc: questions@freebsd.org From: Ralf Mardorf Subject: Re: hardware recommendation Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2022 21:45:58 +0200 To: hw X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4LXZsZ5R63z3qmT X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=qO+2fUmI; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.59 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.994]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N > On 28 Jun 2022, at 20:24, hw wrote: >=20 >> On Tue, 2022-06-28 at 20:15 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> =EF=BB=BF >>>> On 28. Jun 2022, at 19:40, infoomatic wrote: >>>> =EF=BB=BF>On 28.06.22 19:21, Robert Huff wrote >>>> A disk drive on one of my machines is dying. >>>> I'd like to replace it with a _reliable_ (the old one lasted 10+ >>>> years at moderate loads) consumer-grade SATA II or higher drive >>>> of at >>>> least 500 gbytes. >>>=20 >>> In the light of the link to backblaze, my mail seems quite useless >>> ... I >>=20 >> Hi, >>=20 >> no, your reply is _not_ useless. >=20 > Who are you to decide which replies are useless and which aren't? >=20 >> 1. >> All tests and user experiences are useless >=20 > That's a useless reply --- because it's not true. I'm a user with decades of experience. You did not quote the hole sentence. "All tests and user experiences are useless, since a disk drive product line= does change without notice all the times. Exceptions are general pointers s= uch as yours related to CMR vs SMR or HDD vs SSD." Specifications of drive foo from vendor bar change without notice. If each p= erson from 1000 people are using 100 drives foo from vendor bar since 7 year= s without ever running into an issue, it's pointless, since you can' get the= same drive anymore. An exception would be, if the 100000 drives were all bo= ught around a month ago and all of them failed after around 2 days.