From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 20:17:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A5161065673 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:17:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junkrigsailor@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pw0-f54.google.com (mail-pw0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A6D78FC0A for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:17:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pbcc3 with SMTP id c3so15162416pbc.13 for ; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 12:17:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=AsMGeveZRCqDodsJCZU3Q1aYYkNCfHPc6rn9baHOZYk=; b=gNJjAOqVWdxqZyniOzQ9Y5QbZUu943tuAtDCaEOP38nUsfHe+cHXMpemyRyveCKzfK FxFiDBCP4bAJSgEVMsl864aK1MFX8WiYKPqEml9fC04mNs/U7QJNiFm5/3KDHGbnjSez dcPPUoGlmZuTCYl2uMYE62Kkl7lUCfDuspTHo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.213.6 with SMTP id no6mr3089879pbc.94.1325708269669; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 12:17:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.25.233 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 12:17:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.25.233 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 12:17:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F03A678.6050903@herveybayaustralia.com.au> References: <4F02A3CE.7020404@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103071028.4964dd33@scorpio> <4F030E00.5020806@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F038F8F.3090701@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F03A678.6050903@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:17:49 -0600 Message-ID: From: Jeffrey McFadden To: Da Rock Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 20:17:50 -0000 Thanks, all. I found a manual online. Jeff ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Da Rock < freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au> wrote: > On 01/04/12 10:38, Daniel Feenberg wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Da Rock wrote: >> >> On 01/04/12 02:10, Daniel Feenberg wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Da Rock wrote: >>>> >>>> On 01/03/12 22:10, Jerry wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:44:30 +1000 >>>>>> Da Rock articulated: >>>>>> >>>>>> On 01/03/12 11:15, Jeffrey McFadden wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> Don't ndis(4) ndiscvt and ndisgen(8) essentially accomplish what the >>>> OP is requesting? See the handbook section 12.8.1.1: >>>> >>>> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_**US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/** >>>> config-network-setup.html >>>> >>>> or the man page for ndiscvt: >>>> >>>> http://www.gsp.com/cgi-bin/**man.cgi?section=8&topic=**ndiscvt >>>> >>>> >>>> While doing the conversion looks a bit beyond what we would expect of >>>> an end-user, it does seem to offer a path for using hardware whose >>>> manufacturer does not support FreeBSD. Is there anything beyond licensing >>>> issues preventing such drivers from being included in the distribution, or >>>> made downloadable in FreeBSD form? >>>> >>> >> Oh yes, it is possible, just not probable :) >>> >> >> At >> >> http://sourceforge.net/apps/**mediawiki/ndiswrapper/index.** >> php?title=Category:USB >> >> almost 800 compatible devices are listed. Not everything, but I have >> found that a willingness to spend a few dollars on a different card helps >> immensely in enjoying FreeBSD and Linux. For me at least it is easier to >> find a compatible card than to write a compatible driver. >> > Indeed :) > > I did notice that the card in question wasn't on that list. But my own > experience with ndiswrapper and wifi cards were far less than satisfactory- > the firmware always got in the road. But I may have just been too stupid at > the time :) > > I would also observe that most people involved with computers, whether as >> users or developers, have little symphathy for people with different needs >> from the device. This is a great impediment to progress. It is a mistake to >> assume that because you don't need something, another person's desire for >> it is illegitimate. In this case, I fully agree that it is an injustice >> that hardware vendors do not supply FreeBSD drivers, but that does not mean >> that users requiring such drivers are immoral or of poor character, and >> therefore to be ignored or insulted. There is little that FreeBSD coders >> and users can do about that injustice directly, however it is within their >> power to mitigate it with the NDIS wrapper. If that wrapper allows another >> user to enter the FOSS world, that will (in the fullness of time) >> contribute to reforming the vendor. >> > No they are absolutely not of poor character, I agree. Some messages can > be misconstrued, though, in that the replies can be terse and more logical > than sympathetic. Sometimes it is easier to replace with a different card > than flog a dead horse, although a user may take offense for emotional or > financial reasons more than logical. > > Mitigation is a difficult path as I have found personally, although NDIS > helps immensely with wired nics (not so much of a problem these days), and > I believe Luigi Rizzo's work with the linuxulator and drivers is to be > applauded ten fold. It takes a great deal of time though- I put forward the > idea when I was still a BSD pup not entirely realising the challenges :) > Luigi (and his colleagues) has been working hard ever since to facilitate > the more challenging aspects of multimedia drivers (whether or not that had > to do with my comments or not, I don't know). > > ______________________________**_________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/**mailman/listinfo/freebsd-**questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-** > unsubscribe@freebsd.org " >