From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 18:42:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7562016A40F for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:42:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@freebsd.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECFDD43D45 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:42:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.128]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C6693A4632; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:42:35 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.128]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 82615-01; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:41:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-137-86-60.eastlink.ca [24.137.86.60]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D05F43A464A; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:41:00 -0300 (ADT) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1027) id D0C504AB72; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:41:04 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFF7B34122; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:41:04 -0300 (ADT) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:41:04 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" X-X-Sender: freebsd@ganymede.hub.org To: Hans Lambermont In-Reply-To: <20060915175346.GF15445@leia.lambermont.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20060915153624.X1031@ganymede.hub.org> References: <20060909182831.GA32004@FS.denninger.net> <200609100159.k8A1xAIn089481@drugs.dv.isc.org> <450AA29D.9000700@cs.tu-berlin.de> <200609151616.k8FGG23C065997@fire.jhs.private> <20060915175346.GF15445@leia.lambermont.dyndns.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ARRRRGH! Guys, who's breaking -STABLE's GMIRROR code?! X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:42:41 -0000 On Fri, 15 Sep 2006, Hans Lambermont wrote: > Julian H. Stacey wrote: > >> Stable is a misnomer that harms FreeBSD somewhat. > > I agree. > >> A promoter of FreeBSD I know has long encouraged people to upgrade >> from release to stable. Some don't & won't realise Stable is Not >> necessarily Stable, & may get burnt. Much of the world speaks English >> only as a 2nd language. They won't benefit from the double trouble of >> foreign + weird BSD geek speak: "Stable isn't Stable ? Yes or No !" >> "It's stable, but it's OK to crash ? - I'll go Linux !" >> >> Imagine a boat labelled Stable: It sinks. The designers claim: "Tough! >> We left the Application Interface (routes to bars & toilets) stable, >> but changed other stuff. Hey ! Stable never meant Stable ! >> >> It'd be some work to eradicate the misnomer, but the name's perhaps >> less entrenched than one might guess, eg: >> ftp ftp.freebsd.org >> cd /pub/FreeBSD >> dir >> lrwxr-xr-x 1 ftpuser ftpusers 19 Mar 24 14:58 FreeBSD-stable -> branches/4.0-stable >> cd FreeBSD-stable >> 550 No such directory. > > Why not rename 'stable' into 'stable-api' ? Or rename it what it is: 6.x-BETA Where x == the next -RELEASE ... But, I'm just curious here ... for all of the talk going around about this whole issue, how many ppl have truly ever been bitten by an unstable -STABLE? And for those that have, how long did it take to get help from a developer to get it fixed? In the case that started this thread, it seems to be that the developer fixed his mistake fairly quickly, which is what one would expect ... it shouldn't be so much that he *broke* -STABLE (shit happens, do you want your money back?), but it should be 'was he around to reverse his mistake in a reasonable amount of time?' ... ? ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664