From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 4 23:26:48 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA9CE16A4CF for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 23:26:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B39643D2D for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 23:26:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from PeterJeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (c211-30-75-229.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au [211.30.75.229]) j24NQc0e024777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Sat, 5 Mar 2005 10:26:39 +1100 Received: from cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (localhost.alcatel.com.au [127.0.0.1])j24NQc7l008364; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 10:26:38 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from pjeremy@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au) Received: (from pjeremy@localhost)j24NQbUb008363; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 10:26:37 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from pjeremy) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 10:26:37 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy To: Jason Young Message-ID: <20050304232636.GB4394@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> References: <200503022115.j22LFnWk083926@marlena.vvi.at> <20050304183747.GS57256@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> <20050304161201.B87252@ziggy.evelocity.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050304161201.B87252@ziggy.evelocity.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2i cc: ALeine cc: phk@phk.freebsd.dk cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FUD about CGD and GBDE X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 23:26:49 -0000 On Fri, 2005-Mar-04 16:37:05 -0600, Jason Young wrote: >Why not put a flash chip into the drive's onboard electronics, of the same >size as the drive's cache, or the max possible size of all outstanding >cached writes? That seems to be a better idea. ISTR that once upon a time, vendors made chips that had RAM shadowed by EEPROM which gave you the non-volatility of EEPROM with the read/write performance of RAM. Since the EEPROM was written at once, you only needed 10-20 msec hold-up to preserve your RAM. >At least some modern drives (seen this on HP/Compaq servers, etc) already >have flash-upgradeable firmware. It's just a matter of adding a little >more. You would use it only when power fails, so it's not like you would >wear it out. I think that most modern drives have very little firmware in ROM - just a bootstrap - with most of the firmware stored on the disk itself. -- Peter Jeremy