From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Thu Dec 7 13:49:08 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C185DE8790B for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 13:49:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adamw@FreeBSD.org) Received: from apnoea.adamw.org (apnoea.adamw.org [104.225.5.94]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "apnoea.adamw.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 93C89652DC for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 13:49:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adamw@FreeBSD.org) Received: by apnoea.adamw.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 107504b8 TLS version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 06:49:01 -0700 (MST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.2 \(3445.5.20\)) Subject: Re: THANK YOU for flavors! From: Adam Weinberger In-Reply-To: <20171207133611.GU19238@e.0x20.net> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 06:48:59 -0700 Cc: Baho Utot , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7C0A82FB-91F7-4EA4-AEF3-D4393FB9744C@adamw.org> References: <1afffe5a-8882-6cd8-5c09-b0c93e28bec5@gmail.com> <98c8597a-1db1-b1f6-2aa3-4f09b9a52c59@columbus.rr.com> <20171207133611.GU19238@e.0x20.net> To: Lars Engels X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.5.20) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 13:49:08 -0000 > On 7 Dec, 2017, at 6:36, Lars Engels wrote: >=20 > On Thu, Dec 07, 2017 at 07:51:15AM -0500, Baho Utot wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >> On 12/07/17 04:30, Johan Hendriks wrote: >>> Op 07/12/2017 om 00:51 schreef Mel Pilgrim: >>>> In the midst of all the negative noise, I thought I'd post and say >>>> thank you for bring in this feature. I've been chomping at the bit = to >>>> try flavours out since I heard about them. I started flavouring my >>>> company's internal Ports Tree extension the evening after it = landed. >>>>=20 >>>> Flavours are going to reduce 18 server role metaports to 3. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list >>>> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports >>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> Do you have a web page where flavours are explained nicely for non >>> technical FreeBSD users so that they can also see the benefits of >>> flavour. I think it is a little odd that a big change like this is = not >>> mentioned in any way on the front page of FreeBSD. >>> I really believe things are better this way albeit i did not read = and >>> understand it in a whole. I also believe flavours are nice in a = multi >>> server envirement and on the desktop. >>> The negative noice comes from people who USE FreeBSD on a single = machine >>> or maybe 2 and are now confronted with there old habbits not working >>> anymore. >>> Give those people a walkthrough how they can run poudriere. Best = without >>> out a server but just a oneliner they need to remeber for future >>> updates. They do not want to spend too much time reading and trying = to >>> update there system. >>> If FreeBSD has done that i think that was lot less negative noice on = the >>> channels. >>>=20 >>> Secondly I want to thank you all for the great product FreeBSD is = and it >>> is a great product thanks to all the time people infest into = FreeBSD. >>> So thank you all. But i also hope FreeBSD learns from these big = changes. >>> If FreeBSD want a larger userbase, single machine users are there. = And >>> they do not want to spend an hour reading through a poudriere man = page. >>> They just want to type pgk upgrade, portmaster -d -a, or maybe = poudriere >>> update ports for all that matters. >>>=20 >>=20 >> users also don't want to wake up to the fact that what worked a few = days=20 >> ago not is working ie fetch/update port repo run synth and then get a = "=20 >> What the fuck has just happened now" only to be put down by the so=20 >> called folks in charge here for even asking. >=20 > I think we all understood your point. Please come back if you have > something new to say. Baho, I didn't get your original message because you're routed to /dev/null on = my machine. Your tone is increasingly hostile, and you need to rein in your vitriol. You've told this list multiple times that you're leaving. Either leave = now, or change your tone on this list. If you want to complain about how flavors = ruined your life, fine, but insulting the people who created it is = inappropriate and not tolerated on this list. You're welcome to send me as much hate mail = as you'd like, but keep it off the list. This list is for helping users create or use ports. It is not your = personal soapbox, and if you can't control your emotions, then it's time for you = to walk away. # Adam --=20 Adam Weinberger adamw@adamw.org https://www.adamw.org