From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Sat Jan 5 19:10:17 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22794141B826 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2019 19:10:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from smtp-out-so.shaw.ca (smtp-out-so.shaw.ca [64.59.136.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 160368EA2C for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2019 19:10:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from spqr.komquats.com ([70.67.125.17]) by shaw.ca with ESMTPA id frKgguXiR82YcfrKigSLIj; Sat, 05 Jan 2019 12:10:09 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=NNSrBHyg c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=VFtTW3WuZNDh6VkGe7fA3g==:117 a=VFtTW3WuZNDh6VkGe7fA3g==:17 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=3JhidrIBZZsA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=heTAvR70AAAA:8 a=YxBL1-UpAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=igypgfcmWe3ZOfgu-YAA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=lJIPGLpbTLIA:10 a=UrJ2pwYPfabwj1STkZPu:22 a=Ia-lj3WSrqcvXOmTRaiG:22 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (slippy [10.1.1.91]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4482645C7; Sat, 5 Jan 2019 11:10:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slippy.cwsent.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id x05JA5JN075714; Sat, 5 Jan 2019 11:10:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from slippy (cy@localhost) by slippy.cwsent.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id x05JA4nI075610; Sat, 5 Jan 2019 11:10:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com) Message-Id: <201901051910.x05JA4nI075610@slippy.cwsent.com> X-Authentication-Warning: slippy.cwsent.com: cy owned process doing -bs X-Mailer: exmh version 2.8.0 04/21/2012 with nmh-1.7.1 Reply-to: Cy Schubert From: Cy Schubert X-os: FreeBSD X-Sender: cy@cwsent.com X-URL: http://www.cschubert.com/ To: Enji Cooper cc: Wojciech Puchar , Cy Schubert , Igor Mozolevsky , Hackers freeBSD Subject: Re: Strategic Thinking (was: Re: Speculative: Rust for base system components) In-Reply-To: Message from Enji Cooper of "Sat, 05 Jan 2019 10:38:27 -0800." <0EB517DF-376E-435A-B24D-A4964D0F148F@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2019 11:10:04 -0800 X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfPcQefBB8rME9OrIydELaWrDYm9N8LN8bG0n8p9cYNIdMAkCJ0NOWrBmdmSvWw/OvCPGk0yziHD6P9H0ydQg6j5ZahUkYNa4RCcv3L8pQ1+UZA3Lj/Td QoFiwbMTWRA9L83jjM+YPFXl3XaMKe/EbKIo9JlDFcGcmNWWve+zrhgJaY8XucBIZ5Wrl5fblKQyGd6kTShDF6YRlbrRt1BRSIOw/EXg3ruDHZ+cpvUTGnSt CSQt/lxJHvnJNIBdWMvvlX5OKS5CK0/vy58yetEGAAVStNkZXEWsYvaCWCliaD5G X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 160368EA2C X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.36 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: spqr.komquats.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.95)[-0.948,0]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[17.125.67.70.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.11]; IP_SCORE(-1.70)[ip: (-3.98), ipnet: 64.59.128.0/20(-2.46), asn: 6327(-1.97), country: CA(-0.09)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6327, ipnet:64.59.128.0/20, country:CA]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[137.136.59.64.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2019 19:10:17 -0000 In message <0EB517DF-376E-435A-B24D-A4964D0F148F@gmail.com>, Enji Cooper writes : > On Jan 5, 2019, at 07:07, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > >>>> A) FreeBSD needs to become a platform that can host current and > >>>> evolving virtualization technologies. > >>>> > >>>> B) FreeBSD should be able to play in the container space similarly to > >>>> Linux. Unfortunately I believe that this horse has left the barn and it > >>>> may be too late. Then again maybe there is something we can redeem. > >>> > >>> C) Make FreeBSD like others. So why making FreeBSD? > >> > >> Because we offer some technologies the others do not. Unfortunately > >> inferior and incompatible approaches (similarly: VHS vs BETA, Blue Ray > >> vs HD) have left us on the outside. Try porting Kubernetes to FreeBSD. > > no need to. > > Actually, not having Docker/Kubernetes support makes it more difficult to rid > e the CI/distributed system wave, requiring FreeBSD to reinvent the wheel to > do CI, and force various groups to write their own homegrown distributed syst > ems infrastructures instead of leveraging existing technologies. I'm puttering around with Kubernetes and Docker. However there are other things on my plate that IMO are more urgent. Multitasking. -- Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: http://www.FreeBSD.org The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few.