From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 14:38:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 367C537B401 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:38:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ext-nj2gw-2.online-age.net (ext-nj2gw-2.online-age.net [216.35.73.164]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 960EC43E42 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:38:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lapinski@crd.ge.com) Received: from int-nj2gw-1.online-age.net (int-nj2gw-1 [3.159.236.65]) by ext-nj2gw-2.online-age.net (8.12.3/8.9.1/990426-RLH) with ESMTP id g97LcGXC000166; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crdns.crd.ge.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by int-nj2gw-1.online-age.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/990426-RLH) with ESMTP id g97LcAsQ002796; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exc01crdge.crd.ge.com (exc01crdge.crd.ge.com [3.1.116.47]) by crdns.crd.ge.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g97Lc8S19166; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:38:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by exc01crdge.crd.ge.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <3XAHRS3Q>; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:38:07 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Lapinski, Michael (Research)" To: "'Denny Reiter'" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Server out of space -- Need suggestions Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:37:07 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If your users lack clue enough to configure a mail client that is what support helpdesks are for or a well structured support website. Your talking in terms of a very large isp. I am talking in terms of what the original poster (who seems to be running a small to medium mail server) can/should do. Having 2 disparate mail servers is not uncommon, I was also thinking of a colo-swap with another provider, its way cheaper then having to pay loop+bandwisdth commit on a link that you only want for backup mail servers. It all realy boils down to what level of service and redundancy you are looking to get to. Again I was thinking on the cheap and less complicated because I interpreted that is what the original poster was looking to do =) -mtl -------------------------------------------------- Michael Lapinski Computer Scientist GE Research "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." - IBM Chairman Thomas Watson, 1943 ->-----Original Message----- ->From: 'Denny Reiter' [mailto:denny@reiters.org] ->Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 5:29 PM ->To: Lapinski, Michael (Research) ->Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ->Subject: Re: Server out of space -- Need suggestions -> -> ->On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 04:30:22PM -0400, Lapinski, Michael ->(Research) wrote: ->> Your not goign to keep them in sync, this is so you users ->> can recieve *all* of thier mail, regardless if your primary ->> mail server is up. It is quite easy to config netscape and ->> other mail clients to poll multiple pop servers for new mail. -> ->Don't take this personally, but I find that solution silly in ->reality. While it's quite possible technically and would definitely ->solve problems, getting a user to successfully configure one mail ->account and keep from screwing that up is hard enough. Tell them ->to configure multiples and their head will start spinning. -> ->> I was addressing topic that others had brought up with ->> using a netapp and sharing it between 2 boxes and having ->> one box grab the ip of the mail server if it went down. ->> Its great and all but like I said before, if your mail server ->> is built well then the network turns into the failure point. ->> And with the network being the failure point why bother having ->> redundant mail servers in the same physical location? -> ->Got a couple of hundred users? You can probably get away with ->taking down your mail server to add more RAM or upgrading your ->system. Got 10,000? You still might be able to get away with it ->in the wee hours of the morning if you are quick and lucky. Got ->60,000? No way. You might be able to build one box and make it ->ultra-reliable and ultra-fast, but if things go sideways on you, ->you're screwed. Having multiple boxes taking care of things ->automagically not only will please your customers, but immensely ->improve your mental health. -> ->And the network being the failure point? That's why you have ->multiple circuits from different providers. -> ->-- ->Denny Reiter denny@reiters.org ->So I don't hurt your feelings: happydenny@reiters.org -> www.scapegoats.org ->Actually, Microsoft is sort of a mixture between the Borg and ->the Ferengi. -> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message