From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 14:49:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB6ED106566B for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 14:49:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (unknown [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE42E8FC0C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 14:49:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 277EBE8333; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 14:49:02 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cran.org.uk; h=date:from :to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=mail; bh=2XO8HFkFTpdE ah543zmKoC/Rnsw=; b=TRMbE4eedmKideTmecSpIYfWIlmP7fTF+h+niWwngsEJ uetKCjTZsAP5bs5Cnik5pdSu4hdbgUsTLcNR/0Alte7it9hhz/SG4Hy3qs575Skm gQX63xmmqxAajDfrE0NZ/IHseNQjhhNCByTI1RxkC7zeGG0GqM5dUK2Crlo0+Fs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=cran.org.uk; h=date:from:to :cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=mail; b=I/TQaY iIpq/PTvvLSkrWYXT/b8jDWHlzI9wfrlhGSbfwZ8HZ6zyiE4elL+eLLodQyU1MnT eBOGgeqe6fKDDP7UTiTAqEl8oy+hk3qVEpZisYBeVqthfPPajrKLywNEr5DxGk+Y 2wewiQdKGqa2d0Bj7/4kHZwBuJfO6onL0Ep/M= Received: from unknown (client-86-31-165-87.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com [86.31.165.87]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D3EE8E8329; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 14:49:01 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 14:48:58 +0000 From: Bruce Cran To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110213144858.000055dc@unknown> In-Reply-To: <20110213085805.72f0132d@scorpio> References: <4D550415.8060105@ifdnrg.com> <20110211185738.GB45708@guilt.hydra> <4D56799D.13036.2335C99A@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> <20110213073814.GC57674@guilt.hydra> <20110213092353.GA58281@guilt.hydra> <20110213073801.65518b9c@scorpio> <20110213131051.00001ebf@unknown> <20110213085805.72f0132d@scorpio> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8cvs9 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i586-pc-mingw32msvc) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd.user@seibercom.net Subject: Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 14:49:09 -0000 On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 08:58:05 -0500 Jerry wrote: > New, as in four years old? That is one of the worst straw man > arguments I have heard in a while. In any case, In 2008 > OpenOffice.org started the project Renaissance to improve the user > interface of OpenOffice. So far the prototypes of the project are > frequently seen as similar to the ribbon interface. > > Obviously, the use and customization of any software is a personal > experience. However, if the use of the "ribbon" is beyond your > abilities, and I am assuming that you are aware that the "ribbon" can > be hidden, modified and that there are many "add-ons" available that > can be used to manage it, then so be it. I would rather work with an > application with a minor annoyance, and I do not find the "ribbon" to > be one, then to use a less robust application. Again, it is up to the > end user to ascertain their requirements and find the tool that is > best fitted to that job. > > In any case, I am quite confident that your condemnation of the > "ribbon" is totally based on your reading of Slashdot and other > similar documents and not from any personal experience. Obviously I'm not talking about myself having problems with it since I've used all sorts of different UIs over the years and can learn new interfaces quickly. You seem to be forgetting that most people don't upgrade very frequently: I wouldn't be surprised if lots were still running Office 2000. I worked in an R&D environment and even there people were steadfastly ignoring Vista and even 64-bit Windows even 3 years after it was released - I had to keep running 32-bit XP. The problem is that less technically-literate people have problems with _certain_ operations which were simple in the past - printing for example now takes several clicks during which the screen changes each time. For people who get confused when icons move on the screen the context-sensitive nature of it can be rather difficult to learn. With large screens and people who don't have the baggage of expecting things to work a certain way I do think Ribbon is better: for example I recently started using Access 2010 and found it rather easy to find how to do things like exporting to SQL Server 2008, which would previously have been buried. Also, the way traditional sub-menus work in Windows is really awful for people who don't have accurate mouse skills - move the mouse outside the menu and it disappears. The Ribbon solves this problem. -- Bruce Cran