Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 04:51:08 -0800 From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" <rfg@tristatelogic.com> To: "freebsd-security@freebsd.org" <freebsd-security@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Response to Meltdown and Spectre Message-ID: <29770.1517403068@segfault.tristatelogic.com> In-Reply-To: <CY1PR01MB12478E5333AB735198BA81EF8FFB0@CY1PR01MB1247.prod.exchangelabs.com>
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In message <CY1PR01MB12478E5333AB735198BA81EF8FFB0@CY1PR01MB1247.prod.exchangel abs.com>, "Zahrir, Abderrahmane" <Abderrahmane.Zahrir@ca.com> wrote: >Hi Guys, > >I understand that you have not been notified early enough about the Meltdown >and spectre security {flaws}... Apparently, it wasn't just the FreeBSD security crew that was inappropriately kept in the dark about this gaggle of hardware security disasters. According to some recently published news reorts, even various Chinese hardware vendors were informed of the flaws PRIOR TO the U.S. Government being informed. (Source: The Wall Street Journal.) In short, this truly epic set of hardware security screw ups were followed by what now appears to have been an equally epic set of -disclosure- screw ups. The hardware bugs were bad enough, but the clear (and apparently self-serving) idiocy that drove the selective disclosure process in this case was, it now appears, equally stinky, if not moreso. Some days, I can't help thinking that I'm playing for the Wrong Team. Maybe its time to learn Chinese. It all sort of reminds me of one very famous quote about the sheer idiocy often displayed by short-sighted corporate bean counters: "The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them." -- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin Intel decided to make Meltdown/Spectre disclosures to their Chinese business partners (e.g. Lenovo, Alibaba) before making those same disclosures even to the government of the country where they are headquartered, and from which they have derived most of their profits since the company's inception, i.e. the good old U.S. of A. Read and weap: https://www.wsj.com/articles/intel-warned-chinese-companies-of-chip-flaws-before-u-s-government-1517157430 https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/29/intel_disclosure_controversy/ https://www.engadget.com/2018/01/28/intel-told-chinese-firms-of-meltdown-flaws-before-us/ Thousands and thousands of honorable, well-intentioned and sincere men and women, most with only the purest of motives, have argued and debated, back and forth, for liteally decades now about the true meaning of, and true nature of "responsible disclosure", a topic which continues to be ernestly and reasonably debated between professionals. And yet here we have an instance of a single, dominant, for-profit corporation effectively making a mockery of all those debates by simply doing what it thought was in its own best interests and leaving everyone else to twist in the wind. I, for one, intend to remember this the next time some geeky hacker-type dude gets publically criticised for going public with some security flaw before the affected vendor(s) had a patch ready for release. The next time I see somebody (anybody) being blasted for having failed to observe "responsible disclosure protocols", I, at least, will jump to that person's defense simply by saying "Yea... So?" Intel has just killed the entire notion of "responsible disclosure". It simply doesn't exist anymore. Publish and be saved! -- Bartholomew "Barley" Scott Blair -- The Russia House Regards, rfg P.S. Now that I think about it, I guess that Intel's actions in this case... which they will most assuredly get away with, *without* any civil or criminal penalty (because hey! They're Intel!)... has also created a sort of carte blanche for any U.S. hacker dude who might want to sell his zero days to the Chinese, or, you know, the Russians. Because isn't that effectively what Intel itself did in this case?
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