From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 21 21:37:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44FA416A41F; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:37:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mv.twc.weather.com (mv.twc.weather.com [65.212.71.225]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F98D43D45; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:37:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [10.50.41.233] (Not Verified[10.50.41.233]) by mv.twc.weather.com with NetIQ MailMarshal (v6, 0, 3, 8) id ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:53:42 -0400 From: John Baldwin To: Kris Kennaway Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:37:55 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200509211645.36060.jhb@FreeBSD.org> <20050921205736.GA31449@xor.obsecurity.org> In-Reply-To: <20050921205736.GA31449@xor.obsecurity.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-6" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200509211737.56671.jhb@FreeBSD.org> Cc: Daniel Eischen , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Threading/KSE problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:37:54 -0000 On Wednesday 21 September 2005 04:57 pm, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 04:45:34PM -0400, John Baldwin wrote: > > On Tuesday 20 September 2005 02:55 pm, Daniel Eischen wrote: > > > I don't think anyone thinks that. But I prefer the old way. If we're > > > not properly keeping track of our ABI changes and what they affect, > > > then let's work on that problem. Symbol versioning isn't going to > > > solve that for us anyways. > > > > Yes, symbol versioning requires the same level of discipline as the more > > constrained library version number bumping. If we have decided that our > > developers are too incompetent to properly bump library versions for ABI > > changes then they are also too incompetent to handle symbol versioning. > > Furthermore, even with the massive library bumps, we have still stuck our > > collective heads in the sand and ignored all the port library version > > numbers. In theory they should all be bumped for 5 -> 6 as well. > > Which is impossible to do since it's a 1-dimensional space and the > upstream vendors are likely to bump their version next week anyway. Yeah, it's a sucky problem, which is part of why I think just bumping everything all the time is not an optimal solution. :) -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve" = http://www.FreeBSD.org