From owner-svn-src-head@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 6 17:01:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-head@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E66199DD; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 17:01:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qc0-x229.google.com (mail-qc0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c01::229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E6D72D52; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 17:01:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qc0-f169.google.com with SMTP id x12so6219642qcv.28 for ; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 09:00:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=qzaO1GdmTS+z7R7vnEO6slVJOJD0SYcedo37TRbR7Qk=; b=jPg5RLGTWUzOl5v5YAVum5SyD83mB0x4zB4qx/jobzdmdxCsop4BepTHvn3Tk6XZ72 Nu/jw8rfghh5moCnxr6hRPFKfByMBMEumtiW3DLzmeBim+a+2IFjAye1UN9y/ZZJBDHs eguxYVz6t1+BlE7Ch4roTmA6QsXaomLeFX6CdcpbX+ZJKzTlpAugpiRRSTFIwhv448J+ MY/Aalqa7VUZhwIUHzoF2il+VlN+qzfvL54voEM8iJwI7tX/VuyoIpVMMkctNU2cLfbU DLJpDxdHgcHBe0KKUxJmDthpr1vEd+iknLy8ki/QtMIpnQ6E+v+vr17ajiRpQSBpV/ic kQOg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.113.199 with SMTP id b7mr7443546qaq.4.1383757259251; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 09:00:59 -0800 (PST) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.224.207.66 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 09:00:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <201311051029.rA5ATmmM017799@svn.freebsd.org> <201311051156.09819.jhb@freebsd.org> <20131105192904.GG7577@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 09:00:59 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: kffA_guJzrl6EV5HiaxGHXEJ4Qg Message-ID: Subject: Re: svn commit: r257696 - in head: libexec/rbootd share/man/man9 sys/compat/svr4 sys/net sys/sys From: Adrian Chadd To: Peter Wemm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: "svn-src-head@freebsd.org" , svn-src-all , Gleb Smirnoff , "src-committers@freebsd.org" , John Baldwin X-BeenThere: svn-src-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the src tree for head/-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2013 17:01:01 -0000 I think the important thing here is that there _are_ organisations that rely on some reasonable attempt at supporting historical APIs where needed. This IMHO should've explicitly gone into a compat macro for people who want support of this older stuff. My suggestion for a saner way to handle this deprecation schedule: * do the announce - I'd have to go looking for that, but we should be placing these somewhere obvious (like a wiki page that lists deprecated APIs in order, with the date/release they're going to be deprecated); * deprecate the userland use of the ioctl values first so they use the newer API; * deprecate the kernel API after the announced amount of time, hiding things behind COMPAT_xxx as appropriate. -adrian