From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 7 19:59:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A610106566B for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 19:59:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrhett@netconsonance.com) Received: from mail.netconsonance.com (mail.netconsonance.com [198.207.204.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 682A58FC0A for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 19:59:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrhett@netconsonance.com) Received: from 4.151.178.10.in-addr.arpa (m420e36d0.tmodns.net [208.54.14.66]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.netconsonance.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m57Jwvu1060257; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 12:59:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jrhett@netconsonance.com) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at netconsonance.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.038 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.038 tagged_above=-999 required=3.5 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1.44, AWL=-0.139, TVD_RCVD_IP=1.617] Message-Id: <0AE1196D-949A-4F2A-B885-2740D95BEF07@netconsonance.com> From: Jo Rhett To: Jeremy Chadwick In-Reply-To: <20080605125105.GA79727@eos.sc1.parodius.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 12:58:51 -0700 References: <9B7FE91B-9C2E-4732-866C-930AC6022A40@netconsonance.com> <4846E637.9080101@samsco.org> <48472DB6.5030909@samsco.org> <6010676B-91B0-4AF8-ACF8-039A59B29331@netconsonance.com> <484736E0.6090004@samsco.org> <4847D5F8.80605@FreeBSD.org> <20080605125105.GA79727@eos.sc1.parodius.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) Cc: FreeBSD Stable , "Bruce M. Simpson" Subject: Re: CLARITY re: challenge: end of life for 6.2 is premature with buggy 6.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 19:59:06 -0000 On Jun 5, 2008, at 5:51 AM, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > If the exact regression between 6.2 and 6.3 can be tracked down, > great. > If it's in a specific driver, CVS commit logs or cvsweb will come in > handy. Otherwise, if it's some larger piece of code ("ohai i revamped > the intrupt handlar!"), chances of finding it are slimmer. I'm a bit > disappointed that Jo hasn't explicitly mentioned what's broken in 6.3 > that's affecting him, because that might help everyone. Heck, I'll > even > add it to my Commonly reported issue wiki page. PRs would be good, > but > I'll gladly take past mailing list discussions. I will start a new thread with the specific issues that concern my environment upon my return. I'd like to keep the specific issues separate from the overall policy question, because they are very different in my mind. > Jo's opinion is reasonable, but the bottom line is that the FreeBSD > Project folks will always win the argument once the "it's best-effort" > trump card is played; the convo has to end once it's on the table. Yes, but it often gets played too often too fast. It's worth having a discussion of the policy goals. I'm not saying that this isn't the very best that FreeBSD can do -- maybe it is. I just couldn't find any documentation of why dropping 6.2 makes a lot of sense, so I was hoping to get a clear answer for that. -- Jo Rhett Net Consonance : consonant endings by net philanthropy, open source and other randomness