From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 11 13:03:01 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB29432F2FA for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 13:03:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.75]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49jPD42YNDz4Z1R for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 13:02:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.24.162]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue107 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MGhi0-1jeOlT18ny-00DoPg; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 15:02:53 +0200 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 15:02:53 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Yuri Pankov Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: freebsd vs. netbsd Message-Id: <20200611150253.425076e1.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <171506d5-19aa-359e-c21d-f07257c52ebd@freenetMail.de> <2393a1e0-b073-950a-78be-9f57d8e9934b@anatoli.ws> <20200610063555.00003707@seibercom.net> <82F57D0D-E0EC-49F7-824E-20A296C9F549@kicp.uchicago.edu> <250b853a-b436-0e99-b05c-9abd6b6019ef@panix.com> <20200611070630.2cb42786.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200611091449.383e1d83@archlinux> <53a6833e-db63-2395-4d2e-f05a9b1fb269@boxsci.com> <20200611112418.0bb0c896b685c84ed8d6a8f6@sohara.org> <20200611135639.0c07500e@archlinux> <36a71c5c-ccf0-d28d-c6c1-1d9c80873a12@yuripv.dev> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:+doV/czKFRnA5e6wFE88YaL+QSKS3VPM7IWjqkk8UWa2mNlh31H loGpMxEAvPWlKGhEV0E7Oliv89guSVby/7Zak9wANl16viEjU8gRRGZyzuLk6cnaGJ4Tvd3 kp7r2qzxxT7ePoTvYplL5qeZAfL4vMzyqR9QO93uJry9rqDmoLl4IWDuD0IBYDQoRxeT54w KIFaOxLQOYsA/+1n9tH2g== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:0PGyRnLeC4o=:uFoG2DASMlToQym4rqZGy6 9nWAIkZL6pxXvRYtMEqgH4pFfr0qmdJ4z761PlDWwSow17ysgQ6d23AEWc/8pGE5VD2WOEbfx dOm+t81UQ6dEJ+JXqKvrQQ7czMruR9hpzR5bMPGO99SDGICIjxg+SAYmOKWg6pNlLkCHzNM6r Ci28x+ktuIWGIHpJPGKLdiKJatQ8xB5xiuKZ/SriT9BpvuQJ32MDPRl1n/b5uMGqIudj/2a0M +6o6jceLQn1gx7FPKRg2RELuVZ+Nb9Llz+2jvBirhenvipfRiPQCCCBGkq3A25rdnMoHWTBeQ X5eyDpQvM1ZRwn4rUiYS8Vo/mLFExVsrQmYmjqDx2CT/cGTgBeIqJkTZtJdehfVYY5BbdXzpL IrVuZDv7QNyD2R9J+TPrT8HHxpOQPKp9V5fHVki722pf8PDuM2QCAbJpIBuj5Ug1yo2xtpYfk 3FlX12QSo6+3ydDIHRo8yQXXetCmi73T+NgKErxZFjaa8JczOrZj5SgjEgdaoOYAWJ/xCH3NY t9/LsTQGxb7yILCeR8pTwLUAl5NkUKOyOJkJcOpsOLgER0TVdFD7uDb8jgLC+XfFjK7XOEfbY exUMv9OqEV/o2aH+D/Pn9K53JOI4cICv0sALs8m5g+ohRkOZ7wVgRZrVYsK5JnnHy9jh7Ix9T /1puBjKE2jmvRXJe86D/grahQZwqrx1CbmxvZ9aStcMFGK4Pl8sp9Uxzy+rBCFTM21fKVUAJu Zro28PX2bhiSrfp+5pnt8Jz25LQr6tA/oeSqXFVbuOdEk8z/WLnEGWAYCCVF467blFSNrtiD1 mWiKQcn6hHYXzX00IunbbxBEkvtZj2DOm0NWUiMBpzMk9hnIYZl5sxCcN6q9Xkl7zk2iWPq X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49jPD42YNDz4Z1R X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 217.72.192.75) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.73 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[94.222.24.162:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:217.72.192.0/20, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.01)[0.014]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.01)[0.013]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.30)[0.305]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[217.72.192.75:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[217.72.192.75:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 13:03:01 -0000 On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 15:22:06 +0300, Yuri Pankov wrote: > WRT top-posting, I strongly disagree with this, having $work use Outlook > almost exclusively and getting really hard times finding who answers > what in *technical* discussions with more than 2-3 replies -- I'm > spending A LOT more time than needed on this. I would agree on using > top-posting when you are sending some request and have your manager > reply with "Approved" on top, that's the only situation I can think of > when it's acceptable. I'd say, it always depends on context. For example, if it's just a simple VSRP ("very short reply preferred") kind of message, there's probably nothing wrong: 12 o'clock Bob wrote: When can we meet? But if a discussion gets more complex, and especially technical ones do (but it is of course not restricted to technical ones!), it can get problematic what exactly (!) has been replied to. Or if multiple questions are asked: Yes. Bob wrote: For the next meeting, I have free slots at 2 pm and at 4 pm on Tuesday, or if you want, 10 am on Wednesday. If that doesn't match your current plan, suggest a different time, I'll see what I can do. Furthermore, did you review form 27B/6 as I asked for? Do section 3 or section 7 need changes (Joe suggested them in yesterday's meeting)? Now imagine this kind of "discussion" at the length of 10 pages. Yes, I have seen them. Printed. On paper. In an office. Personally, I feel (!) that using inline quotes + tidying up the message is a token of respect. It shows that you've actually read the message, thought about the matter, and took time to write an answer. My hope is that people who read my messages will see the amount of work that went into them, and see it as an appreciation of _their_ time. In my opinion, just slapping something like "install sysutils/foo" on top of a message does not express respect, even though it _might_ answer the initial question. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...