From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 24 19:23:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mired.org (dsl-64-192-6-133.telocity.com [64.192.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AE77737B400 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 19:23:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 94686 invoked by uid 100); 25 Mar 2002 03:23:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15518.38943.907647.117841@guru.mired.org> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 21:23:11 -0600 To: Chip Morton Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: [burnscharlesn@hotmail.com: Advocacy help for CS professor] In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020324182324.01ba1400@threespace.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020324125937.019edf00@threespace.com> <3C9E11B7.F36170B8@centtech.com> <20020322013138.A87120@xor.obsecurity.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20020324105234.0199cda8@threespace.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20020324182324.01ba1400@threespace.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ From: Mike Meyer X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.49 (Python 2.2 on freebsd4) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In <4.3.2.7.2.20020324182324.01ba1400@threespace.com>, Chip Morton typed: > At 02:29 PM 3/24/2002, Mike Meyer wrote: > > > figuring that most of their audience will be using Internet Explorer, > > > and the small minority who aren't will be able to find their way to an IE > > > without too much effort. (It is free, right?) > >How can I use IE if I don't run Windows or a RISC workstation? > You may be right, web designers may not think outside of > IE-compatibility. I think they may have when Navigator was still a factor > in the browser wars, but maybe not anymore. No, they've always been that blind. First it was Mosaic, then Mosaic+Netscape, then Netscape, then Netscape+IE, now just IE. And yes, I've been bitching about it that long. > And I would imagine that even if you don't personally own/use a > Windows-capable PC, you probably could get to one rather easily. I would > imagine that most people on this list could, but I'm sure there are exceptions. Not when I'm sitting in my car on the side of I-whatever, trying to find a map. I can get to my Palm there. A Windows box? Not likely. > >Better yet, how do I put a system running MSIE in my pocket and carry > >it around? A properly designed web site will work fine on browsers I > >can fit in my pocket. That's why I run w3m with autoloading of frames > >turned off - I want to know which web sites are going to work on my > >Palm, and which aren't, and seldom bookmark the latter. > Well, first of all you could do what I did--get a PocketPC and taa-daa, > you've got Internet Explorer in your pocket. :-) Just curious, but how complete is it? Java, JavaScript, Frames, CSL, SSL, etc? And what do you use on the FreeBSD side of things? > But seriously, the best examples that I've seen of "pocket" compatibility > are with web sites that alter an alternative version, usually a > mobile.somewebpage.com that does away with lots of the frills that weigh > down so many sites. That even seems to be the route to browser > compatibility for most sites I visit--detect the user's browser and route > him accordingly to the correct page. Yeah, I know. I was warning people about having to maintain two versions of a web site for pocket usability in '96. I later got paid to create just such a site for palm.net. Sometimes, being right just sucks. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message