From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 18 14:25:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C2FC1065697 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:25:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan.naumov@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f171.google.com (mail-yx0-f171.google.com [209.85.210.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 361BD8FC0A for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:25:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe1 with SMTP id 1so1055052yxe.3 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 06:25:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=JRF7vxNkD2jrur6EGOfHSv3DKz2DPb3n9V6bXQ4HC50=; b=EDN4i7ro0qd4aasDnzJLkGaIcSNKz1dglJ+rTzkrOa4Qp6NAXi2Uob1UingCPxUfxN 7dwOuUdgffjntdXIaMr5TD3I/kxEajB4RrM0CQw63R4r01KOXW0dGzLmYAiP/H44tdqJ hMjjpnVXJ5TkTBPqVqAm1d4gU0DN3G3KFfCW0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=O2Z70sL7YswA9Z1AAgL8hTCgx6yWdQK1fAUjNOkNQ18VsDXWswJLA5wkTS/2sKaR0f wjNh4TaVnSkFBSZslSVxDXJsErGR+SnMTB6S9Ex1qVSiyWSfz5HX91ATV4Fqrk8A6kND 6HUJdcyw79+qda1GOH3l5FOdVVXfvLhoqDs+E= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.152.37 with SMTP id e37mr2642491ano.45.1258554309373; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 06:25:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B04020C.3080000@zedat.fu-berlin.de> References: <20091118135340.522fa36a@ernst.jennejohn.org> <4B04020C.3080000@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:25:09 +0200 Message-ID: From: Dan Naumov To: "O. Hartmann" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:34:13 +0000 Cc: freebsd-current Subject: Re: request: LOADER_ZFS_SUPPORT X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:25:10 -0000 2009/11/18 O. Hartmann : > Gary Jennejohn wrote: >> >> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:44:12 +0200 >> Dan Naumov wrote: >> >>>> WHy not just build from source? >>> >>> Because expecting users to build from source to install or update >>> their systems in the year 2009 is an outdated concept, this is why we >>> have freebsd-update in the first place. >>> >> >> This is such a load of BS I could fertilize 100 acres with it. >> >> In this day of inexpensive computers with fast mulit-core CPUs and >> gigabytes of memory this argument is completely lame. >> >> Fifteen years ago I would have agreed, because it took days to build >> world and the kernel. =A0Been there, done that. >> >> --- >> Gary Jennejohn > > Been there, did it, too. > > Fools, conceptually compromised by Microsofts closed-binary-strategy, oft= en > complain about 'why compiling, it is an outdated concept ...'. It is, sim= ply > in my opinion, a helpless selfdefense: they do not understand much about > operating systems (me, too) and never try to understand the concept behin= d > (me not). But today, having sophisticated binary update facilities, it se= ems > to speed up a worse development: many companies save the computer-scienti= st > to maintain their stuff - because they have a bunch of cheap fools > 'fertilizing the acres of foolsness' and pretending being the master of t= he > puppets by hitting an 'update-key' and everythings works magically ... This is unreasonable elitism. Having to jump through hoops, manually adjust Makefiles and spend time compiling just to apply a system update does NOT make you a "guru". It makes you waste time that could be better spent elsewhere. - Sincerely, Dan Naumov