From nobody Wed Jun 29 06:42:42 2022 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59924874B1E for ; Wed, 29 Jun 2022 06:45:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from parv.0zero9@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vs1-xe30.google.com (mail-vs1-xe30.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e30]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4LXsQs3snfz3tpR for ; Wed, 29 Jun 2022 06:45:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from parv.0zero9@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vs1-xe30.google.com with SMTP id z66so14243347vsb.3 for ; Tue, 28 Jun 2022 23:45:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=KMb6jTw3M4FU01tZ1jKkVKi8wRWa1Rx030gfIiPOw1Y=; b=qEtpuCXBkBM1mrEsYOB/Kc4PnDZDZcBRtQCeMd8CSWmbclny3OMxQY7F5OffsJl4E7 58vzitEVpEcpMwjutUPPBT/V3eGe9WFOO6KXnPQBxlvJa/N8W6ZZ8tlBTnqe/LWwmcQc rCM2HjYvyZMEWdu1ZOJou0hjfVaJeK3y0Jl027S33zj6bvRhx+rnd8bZDlhVBDY5W0fa ZLxm3XSJp2DJso0GtDA6ubTyc73BGn8pva6rKRXA8KQBMHdcHm/Mt9iEhbEvR2zGy2gm Jm8FwtngEf/EKMOLqcDxis1Dew+z0j5a/6lMuCT/VC5LoP306t0NcST1b3ulNG+UMgv4 o11w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=KMb6jTw3M4FU01tZ1jKkVKi8wRWa1Rx030gfIiPOw1Y=; b=iut2EDosV0eznnvEOqV7LMwrNGrbhWKQ2IbzrTru4UnkPzAv1IHWRgMQ94/+tuacKB e3DlLIoiC6l9SLcAAMrpvteI8Wjl4USTEGg4eOzoE75ng26KYq9pEFExrnklFbQZuUir zREvYqdjLWrzoXQz9ZDHdoXKYuYgqklWcQ3Uw/A/dBk0tcv3G1WkTtrOXpWX8wA3941s hBb6yWZWShtPbES39pAOa9jZxH0ZLWANXE5OsulkN+O2Vy/iwMcNMhkNHxWK5mxdtwAO Q0BbUwZ7k6HQR1qGJ7B3w/mhEnHRLBfkWDVe1SN5/IFBZ9pJGY80eplk3G5pfKe3299F Eqmg== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora+2WK9PcbC+Xt769xnuzGuV64omcApreH+wFvlgaukVzVYYBogi N5hrRx8UXisR5dmwDnoHK5UjXWptkSPzFVN7qSQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1s5Amg4Le0NgCeZ61SW2j0DlaTqWpPRa09svtI2N+LDgkH5Up3XHOriuQVraGgX0fdhSCQhDAdxzaNGP4J5BBU= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6102:3592:b0:354:38b3:fff6 with SMTP id h18-20020a056102359200b0035438b3fff6mr3386369vsu.38.1656485102791; Tue, 28 Jun 2022 23:45:02 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <25275.14490.634554.58598@jerusalem.litteratus.org> In-Reply-To: <25275.14490.634554.58598@jerusalem.litteratus.org> From: "parv/FreeBSD" Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2022 20:42:42 -1000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: hardware recommendation To: Robert Huff Cc: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000020af8405e2907e42" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4LXsQs3snfz3tpR X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=qEtpuCXB; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of parv0zero9@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::e30 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=parv0zero9@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[freebsd]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20210112]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::e30:from]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N --00000000000020af8405e2907e42 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Tue, Jun 28, 2022 at 7:23 AM Robert Huff wrote: > > A disk drive on one of my machines is dying. > I'd like to replace it with a _reliable_ (the old one lasted 10+ > years at moderate loads) consumer-grade SATA II or higher drive of at > least 500 gbytes. > Any particular product lines getting consistantly good reviews? > And what should I avoid like flesh-eating bacteria? > Some anecdotes ... - My laptops ... -- ThinkPad X260 c 2017 has been running original 2.5" Seagate 500 GB disk (ST500LM021); -- other laptop has 500 GB M.2 WD Blue 570 or (750) NVMe PCIe 3 SSD. For unrelated reasons, I do not use it much. - At work ... -- boot+OS SSD ... ---- using mostly Samsung 8x0 EVO SATA III SSDs as boot+OS disks in mostly CentOS [68]/Rocky Linux machines & a few of FreeBSD 13 machines; ---- recently got 3 machines with 500 GB Samsung 980 M.2 NVMe PCIe 3 SSDs as boot+OS disks (one machine has 2x M.2 slots, so that got ZFS mirror with FreeBSD 14; other 2 are single-SSD Rocky Linux ones); -- Data archive with 4 separate ZFS RAID-Z[23] arrays (all disks were|are CMR; FreeBSD 1[0-3]) ... ---- about 8 of 32 4TB WD Red NAS disks failed in ~2 years while in use in 4 separate ZFS RAID-Z2 arrays (8 disks/array); ---- ~1-3 of 24 6TB WD Red Pro NAS disks failed in ~2 years in 2 separate -Z3 arrays (12 disks/array); ---- currently using 6TB WD Red Pro NAS disks in 2 separate -Z2 arrays (6 disks/array, taken from above -Z3 arrays), and 14TB Seagate Exos16 disks in 2 separate -Z3 arrays (7 disks/vdev, 2 vdevs/array) for just shy of 2 years; ---- One 14TB Seagate disk was dead on arrival. But I did not find out within the return period of the retailer; had to settle for likely refurbished disk from Seagate than much preferred outright new-replacement from the retailer. FWIW; YMMV; etc. - parv --00000000000020af8405e2907e42 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Tue, Jun 28, 2022 at 7:23 AM Robert Huff wrote:
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 A disk drive on one of my machines is dying. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I'd like to replace it with a _reliable_ (t= he old one lasted 10+
years at moderate loads) consumer-grade SATA II or higher drive of at
least 500 gbytes.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Any particular product lines getting consistant= ly good reviews?
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 And what should I avoid like flesh-eating bacte= ria?

Some anecdotes ...

- My laptops ...
-- ThinkPad X260 c = 2017 has been running original 2.5" Seagate 500 GB
disk (ST500LM021);

-- other laptop has 50= 0 GB M.2 WD Blue <something>570 or (750)
NVMe PCIe 3 SSD. For unrelated reason= s, I do not use it much.

- At work ...
-- boot+OS SSD ...
---- using mostly Samsung 8x0 EVO SATA I= II SSDs as boot+OS disks in mostly
CentOS [68]/Rocky Linux machines & a few of F= reeBSD 13 machines;

---- recently got 3 machines with 500 GB Samsung 980 M.2 NVMe PCIe 3= SSDs
as = boot+OS disks (one machine has 2x M.2 slots, so that got ZFS mirror
with FreeBSD 14;= other 2 are single-SSD Rocky Linux ones);

-- Data archive with 4 separate ZFS RAID-= Z[23] arrays (all disks were|are
CMR; FreeBSD 1[0-3]) ...
---- about 8 of 32 4TB WD Red N= AS disks failed in ~2 years
while in use in 4 separate ZFS RAID-Z2 arrays (8 disks/a= rray);

--= -- ~1-3 of 24 6TB WD Red Pro NAS disks failed in ~2 years in
2 separate -Z3 arrays (= 12 disks/array);

---- currently using 6TB WD Red Pro NAS disks in 2 separate -Z2
arrays (6 disks/= array, taken from above -Z3 arrays), and 14TB Seagate
Exos16 disks in 2 separate -Z3= arrays (7 disks/vdev, 2 vdevs/array) for
just shy of 2 years;

---- One 14TB Seagate disk w= as dead on arrival. But I did not find out within the
return period of the retailer;= had to settle for likely refurbished disk from
Seagate than much preferred outright= new-replacement from the retailer.


FWIW; YMMV; etc.


- parv

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