From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 10:01:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7946616A41C for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 10:01:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from PeterJeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from mail16.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail16.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.197]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD81443D53 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 10:01:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from PeterJeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (c220-239-8-51.belrs4.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.239.8.51]) by mail16.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j5GA1HHV020525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Thu, 16 Jun 2005 20:01:17 +1000 Received: from cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (localhost.alcatel.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j5GA1HRx057176; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 20:01:17 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from pjeremy@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au) Received: (from pjeremy@localhost) by cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id j5GA1HbI057175; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 20:01:17 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from pjeremy) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 20:01:17 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy To: Chuck Swiger Message-ID: <20050616100117.GG50157@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> References: <20050615054209.L29741@beagle.kn.op.dlr.de> <20050615160741.GA55062@dragon.NUXI.org> <88862BDF-ED45-42CE-9B24-DEEED2E66C2C@mac.com> <20050615.212337.108191340.imp@bsdimp.com> <42B10804.2010308@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <42B10804.2010308@mac.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2i Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, "M. Warner Losh" Subject: Re: groff alternative? X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 10:01:33 -0000 On Thu, 2005-Jun-16 01:03:00 -0400, Chuck Swiger wrote: >Perhaps there won't be a rush of code adoption from OpenSolaris into >FreeBSD, but it would be a surprise and a pity if there was nothing to be >learned. I'd imagine that the Solaris NFS code would be worth looking at, >for instance. Agreed. But we want to be ensure that any improvements that are made to FreeBSD don't impact the code's existing license: It's one thing to swap a GPL groff for a CDDL troff but winding up with Sun claiming that FreeBSD's NFS is a derivative of the Solaris NFS would be a serious problem for the FreeBSD Project. >Lots of license flavors are handled OK via src/contrib and throughout the >entire ports collection now. It's not as if CDDL-licensed code is going to >sneak up and infect existing BSD-licensed code; the two licenses are >miscible. The non-BSD-licensed code is deliberately kept in src/contrib so that it can be easily isolated for vendors who want to restrict themselves to a BSD-licensed system. >M. Warner Losh wrote: >>Anyway, since we don't ship groff/roff/etc with the systems we create, >>this specific program doesn't matter much... > >4-sec% /usr/bin/nroff --version >GNU nroff (groff) version 1.19 ... >This seems to be from src/contrib/groff? I believe Warner was referring to the embedded systems he builds as a day-job rather than the FreeBSD Project. IMHO, the fewer different licenses used by the FreeBSD base system the better. If FreeBSD needs to grow a CDDL (for part of the base system) the Solaris troff needs to offer significant benefits. -- Peter Jeremy