From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue May 2 10:53: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from server.baldwin.cx (jobaldwi.campus.vt.edu [198.82.67.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9113937BB9C for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 10:52:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (john [10.0.0.2]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13073; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:52:19 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <200005021752.NAA13073@server.baldwin.cx> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 13:52:19 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: "William A. Carrel" Subject: RE: Cc: insane@lunatic.oneinsane.net, tcole@wcug.wwu.edu, advocacy@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Actually, the problem seems to be that regardless of the desires of anyone on #freebsd, #freebsd serves as a representative of the FreeBSD project because of its name. The op's and other people can insist that "no, it isn't", but their opinion doesn't count. :) The opinion that counts in this is the opinion of the public. If we are to maintain a professional attitude on the project, then we should probably rename #freebsd to #freebsdchat and #freebsdhelp to #freebsd. Again, I say that for all the people on #freebsd, the public perception of the project and its name is not something you control. Get over it and stop being so arrogant. Look at #freebsd on UnderNet. You can ask questions there and get civil answers or at least civil redirects. In fact, by helping answering a question there, I helped promote advocacy here at my university since I ended up helping some freshman CS major and I eventually heard back from the TA for the class that it had made a good impression. Now really, grow up guys. If you want FreeBSD to go nowhere and be your private playtoy, fine, but I'm not satisfied with that. I think this project has great potential in the marketplace, but it needs to act professionally in all matters, and whether you like it or not, that includes #freebsd. To summarize: to the #freebsd people: Your opinion doesn't matter! John aka BigKnife on #freebsd, #freebsdhelp, and occasionally on #freebsd on Undernet. P.S. Sometimes a newbie will ask a question, and will be kicked before I can type up a simple answer. Very annoying. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message