From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 13 22:19:52 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A75B16A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:19:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.corrupt.co.nz (222-152-1-143.jetstream.xtra.co.nz [222.152.1.143]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4581343D2D for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:19:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from drew@corrupt.co.nz) Received: (qmail 87506 invoked by uid 1011); 13 Jul 2004 22:19:51 -0000 Received: from drew@corrupt.co.nz by tweety.lan.corrupt.co.nz by uid 1009 with qmail-scanner-1.22 Clear:RC:0(192.100.53.164):SA:0(0.0/3.8):. Processed in 5.457445 secs); 13 Jul 2004 22:19:51 -0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=3.8 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.63.100?) (drew@corrupt.co.nz@192.100.53.164) by mail.corrupt.co.nz with SMTP; 13 Jul 2004 22:19:45 -0000 Message-ID: <40F45FBC.6010709@corrupt.co.nz> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:18:36 +1200 From: Drew Broadley User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (X11/20040606) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Poul-Henning Kamp References: <22993.1089745723@critter.freebsd.dk> In-Reply-To: <22993.1089745723@critter.freebsd.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Barney Wolff cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CVSUP and 5.2.1 RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:19:52 -0000 Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > If you sit back for a moment and think about the number of barriers > >a user must already scale to get to the point of typing "make world", >then I think you will see that adding 27 extra characters is not >going to change anything. In particular not when compared the the >number of places we have to change (to the extent we can) documentation >which mentions "make world". > >You might as well try to change the shape of the carinals hats. > > > It's about breaking habits (humans are cronic for retaining bad ones). I see his point, it's just a little to in the end stop a lot of confusion. If you are so much so complaining about the lack of 27 extra characters typed by users/admins, I'm very sure it isn't that much more effort to put in the addition of 27+ characters to the Makefile for the developers to make a safety net for people whom are accustomed to "make world". This will remind them with a high level of VERBOSE, that they need to read /usr/src/UPDATING. My two cents. - Drew