From owner-freebsd-security@freebsd.org Wed Jul 24 19:09:26 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-security@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B11DB5911 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 19:09:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsimmons0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf1-x135.google.com (mail-lf1-x135.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::135]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C07D26E56B for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 19:09:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsimmons0@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lf1-x135.google.com with SMTP id b17so32730934lff.7 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 12:09:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=1+r4S9xHc20n25JTR4V1naIOQVNS4GUa+WJ/iFANbbo=; b=DOfq6ISeu/xLM2Duoqi5uxgPlVGg3KbAbzUQAnHaw4b0RtZtWZWACG87yf5DTWd0eQ qscyu+1fQEh9BcM/2oNFBHfpkSGSUp0SMGxotZ4bx1N2+dGov6enE+TRxtsOWSzfNbMV NXPSVwqWypKeAWHiTkrxgsvuWOj8QFyQSYZHI9d13cDmbFLTdmKKeZl6gR3hJtneofyr KAhE+HkvryIoZyE9a/WIa5bYkpe033rBjg32iGgNaAWU7V/h6qH1RpLOUz429nhdlgGS v+vb/khaRL2e3/RNaibuGCNAhFoT6BE5omjtOUGiKAbKsc7EPqrQUGidijJ0i5B/pyEp WdLw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=1+r4S9xHc20n25JTR4V1naIOQVNS4GUa+WJ/iFANbbo=; b=qWHQCd0QBnPT2LsbNo/RzyRWxdIkkfmrglRh+7fsJNjpCYG/u8uXburzY3rAwokN3S RnJK2BzbqR8PQhlswgJZ0Y4OHZ3o+iZXD4JODGXac/D79lMv8sOUe7Q6tB4DlaEy1yBh btLxAtH1CepmiFLW+U5A9InqILEgfevlvCFkAxlzSvjxeJDIJqXW1faRfixp77/wtl4J wiSrnON/F+Sp2kHoa0zFUOEbiaUeYR4z5NE27eJLSkwWxYFNkwOgt8sRMOdvqXks8+ZV GNZKwOMDfzBTM6hBtpvXK3gAnDZhElTmzQNUhDCorVCWUbMKyQ1lBnSRlfzNIx1XovS4 u6bA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAU4TfxMpIJU5SUV+HPRhrqBlaZoz0ZeeaKtGtiHREdwEhaVDf0/ lo3gPlgQMLS1FRhtJRL4KXAssT9ila0Kpj8NKcX9xyN4 X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqy+qiOzKBRPiGfWiAYqpGTgOguCFF+SSoT+nbB/+9c/Nvx8Vni/vCZbpiyPZABayUBMJd6q3wyVxPjiT/hcyXw= X-Received: by 2002:ac2:5a01:: with SMTP id q1mr25797572lfn.46.1563995363158; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 12:09:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Robert Simmons Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 15:09:12 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Old Stuff To: "Aaron C. de Bruyn" Cc: Luke Crooks , freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: C07D26E56B X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=DOfq6ISe; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of rsimmons0@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::135 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=rsimmons0@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.95 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-security@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[5.3.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.95)[-0.947,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(-2.99)[ip: (-9.49), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.99), asn: 15169(-2.43), country: US(-0.05)]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Security issues \[members-only posting\]" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 19:09:26 -0000 Yes, to reduce the code base complexity so that resources can be focused on a smaller code base. On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 3:06 PM Aaron C. de Bruyn wrote: > Ubuntu made the decision, then rolled it back (partially) due to community > outcry. (https://itsfoss.com/ubuntu-19-10-drops-32-bit-support/) > If your reason for wanting to drop support is "Ubuntu is doing it", my > response would be "cool story bro". > Can you state what you are trying to accomplish by dropping support so the > merits can be debated? > > -A > > On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 11:47 AM Robert Simmons > wrote: > >> I am and am not. Ubuntu has made this choice recently. I doubt I am alone >> in my thinking. I fully expected instant pushback on both suggestions. >> >> On Wed, Jul 24, 2019, 13:29 Luke Crooks wrote: >> >> > Clearly you underestimate the technical debt for both hardware and >> > software technologies, still very much in use today. >> > >> > >> > >> > Luke Crooks >> > Solent Wholesale Carpets >> > >> > On Wed, 24 Jul 2019, 17:58 Robert Simmons, wrote: >> > >> >> I wonder if FreeBSD should drop support for 32bit? Clean out and remove >> >> all >> >> of it. It should make the code base easier to maintain, cleaner, and >> >> safer. >> >> >> >> In this same vein, let's deprecate and remove things like telnet and >> ftp. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> freebsd-security@freebsd.org mailing list >> >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-security >> >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> >> freebsd-security-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-security@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-security >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-security-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >