From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 26 09:10:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA01585 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 09:10:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.31.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA01494 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 09:08:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA01438; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 18:04:56 +0100 Message-Id: <199602261704.SAA01438@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: Re: Win32 (was:Re: Go SCSI! Big improvement...) To: kelly@yarmouth (Sean Kelly) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 18:04:55 +0100 (MET) From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Cc: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de, narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9602261631.AA16015@emu.fsl.noaa.gov> from "Sean Kelly" at Feb 26, 96 09:31:12 am From: Christoph Kukulies Reply-To: Christoph Kukulies X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > >>>>> "Christoph" == Christoph Kukulies writes: > > Christoph> Tcl/Tk has a lot of rough edges. Partially looks ugly > Christoph> (too broad borders, ugly shades and colors - ok, you > Christoph> may argue it is customizable). > > That's nothing but opinion and doesn't drive the argument. See: I > think Tcl/Tk looks really nice. And what's so ugly about gray? Hey, > some of my carpet is gray and my hair'll turn gray some day, too! > > Christoph> Show me a good file selector box in Tcl/Tk or a tree > Christoph> view. Text selection sucks imho. > > I'll grant you the file selector, but the text selection? Nope, > 'fraid not. Maybe I'm wrong but last time I used a text selection in a Tcl/Tk app it didn't behave a la Mac/Smalltalk/Windows - CTRLC-C, CTRL-X, CTRL-V, Auto replace when selected so you can type into a selection, selected region appears as 3D-shaded stripes instead of a whole block. > Works just fine. Looks real nice, too. :-) Nice, maybe for someone who comes from an alphanumerical world and never saw other GUIs before. You would also declare Motif style GUI as sufficiently nice, do you? Actually it is sufficient to do the job but that's it. OK, these may be my opinions but I think others my come to similar conclusions. Tcl/Tk isn't something that knocks you off your socks, same is Motif. I played with tkWM - pleppedeplepp. Where is an IDE (Integrated development environment)? I doubt that Tcl/Tk would develop as the incending force to produce myriads of applications in a manner Win32 does. Spend a day with a Win32/MSVC++ programmer. You would want to have this under Unix. -provoke mode off :-) > > -- > Sean Kelly > NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory, Boulder Colorado USA > > TASK: Shoot yourself in the foot. In HyperTalk: Put the first bullet > of gun into foot left of leg of you. Answer the result. > --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de