From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 2 02:05:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B40D6106564A for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 02:05:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.org) Received: from dragon.nuxi.org (trang.nuxi.org [74.95.12.85]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 906D08FC1D for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 02:05:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dragon.nuxi.org (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id pB225sNF004521; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 18:05:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.org) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.org (8.14.5/8.14.4/Submit) id pB225rsN004520; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 18:05:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 18:05:53 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Garrett Cooper Message-ID: <20111202020553.GA4444@dragon.NUXI.org> Mail-Followup-To: obrien@freebsd.org, Garrett Cooper , freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: <201111291607.26546.jhb@freebsd.org> <20111201002515.GA50028@freebsd.org> <20111201014349.GA61475@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 9.99-CURRENT X-to-the-FBI-CIA-and-NSA: HI! HOW YA DOIN? User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remove debug echo X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 02:05:54 -0000 On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 05:59:33PM -0800, Garrett Cooper wrote: > On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Alexander Best wrote: > > On Wed Nov 30 11, Garrett Cooper wrote: > >> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Alexander Best wrote: > >>     pmake sucks as far as diagnostic output is concerned when compared > >> with gmake. I'd rather not have to fish through with -j1 (if I'm lucky > >> and it's not a race) to determine what directory created the "Error > >> Code" output. With the printouts discussed here, at least you have a > >> chance at determining what the issue was. > >>     Maybe it's just me, but I like noisy builds -- otherwise the > >> amount of time I have to spend root-causing the issue becomes > >> expensive. [...] > Otherwise diagnosing issues becomes a PITA with -j > 1 (with pmake I > have to start using some serious grep'ing, and if I'm lucky I can find > the source of error). Well its a PITA mostly because we disabled Pmake's -j "job-markers" back in 1998 (r41151). If you build with 'make -v -j>1' you get much more debugable output. bmake (NetBSD's make) is even nicer in this regard. I was *amazed* when I joined $WORK and a '-j16' build was debugable. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org)