From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 8 18:17:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75C9DCD6; Tue, 8 Oct 2013 18:17:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fjwcash@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qe0-x232.google.com (mail-qe0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c02::232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2478E25ED; Tue, 8 Oct 2013 18:17:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qe0-f50.google.com with SMTP id a11so6970979qen.23 for ; Tue, 08 Oct 2013 11:17:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Fj7o5scyhD1Oop0Q6QNMl7tt7ly8XP+E6w1V8RT3j0M=; b=lOZ3PXtyDAzpIh5cbYiPZ3JjzE5oyOZuT0jNvo4ifZ1hfBre2gP1skoawnBIsETGhh mLYPTuAaBxTyyih7xkGzVS//Cvm+QuCQtwtGwRy3nSMqiUFhgPq4uFtqXxBD8ONxoYAR 34km2XEVX+hUtecg8yfeuAvTtJSLeYd5PFJ2j+K8AM2kvnKQRuLRiGaY3vGYHRyOHNzn Kav/ljT2q9ES70QZ3KVJInyvz/1CoE5yX52bhUimOVXuDNNKFkvrJyg35YJLW771ETXz 1cQKCMdzu5p88Z8PKNJ4i22bst/BOc8t0SghZjhZ3j2pawIVEL25CGLFyHxohlQaYa1A doaw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.20.198 with SMTP id g6mr5986674qab.24.1381256251316; Tue, 08 Oct 2013 11:17:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.39.33 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Oct 2013 11:17:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <52541202.3010707@mu.org> References: <77307DF8-637D-4295-BF47-8742F1552CE8@orthanc.ca> <20131008031517.GA31864@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <60177810-8DC4-4EA3-8040-A834B79039D2@orthanc.ca> <52538EDC.2080001@freebsd.org> <52541202.3010707@mu.org> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 11:17:31 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: rcs From: Freddie Cash To: Alfred Perlstein Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: Lyndon Nerenberg , "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" , Steve Kargl X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 18:17:32 -0000 On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 7:09 AM, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > On 10/7/13 9:49 PM, Julian Elischer wrote: > >> On 10/8/13 11:19 AM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: >> >>> On 2013-10-07, at 8:15 PM, Steve Kargl >> edu > wrote: >>> >>> Maybe there was no development for 15 years. However, the 7364 >>>> lines in ChangeLog after 2010-02-04 suggests that there may >>>> be few bugs to worry about. >>>> >>> >> I think the fact is that most direct users of RCS use it in a very simpl= e >> way, and >> it works just fine for that. with no real need for any updates or any >> change. >> > > With all due respect Julian, The more we discuss this more this really > points to the problem that FreeBSD appears to be a challenge to install > packages into such that a package moving out of base is such a big deal. > > Can we fix that instead? > > I mean, this change should really not be a big deal, but yet it is and > this speaks to the core of FreeBSD utility. > > So again, is there a way to make it so adding RCS after install is not a > big deal at all? =E2=80=8BI haven't kept up-to-date with all the developments, but isn't thi= s part of the bsdinstall/pkgng plan? Once the pkgng repos are all available and populated, then bsdinstall will be able to install packages from there during the install. And, isn't that part of the plan for the DVD installers, to include an "installer repo" for off-line installs? IOW, theoretically, one could just download the 10.0 DVD, boot, install the base, browse the repo on the DVD, select items to install, install, reboot, and be finished. Without ever needing to touch an Internet connection until after rebooting into FreeBSD, if it's even needed at all. Or was that one of the "pie-in-the-sky" ideas that hasn't materialised yet?= =E2=80=8B --=20 Freddie Cash fjwcash@gmail.com