From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 12 23:22:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AF12106566B for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 23:22:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bf1783@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2850D8FC14 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 23:22:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxl31 with SMTP id 31so1841373yxl.13 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 15:22:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=Y5O50WR0y33fvMaZu6gt1fLeZpe4DkW/MDV7M5UDYiA=; b=VAmFmo9P7aAh0tABa3wY2LhUnWU4Jf44XwZoowNPqi9jptCHLcikDPGj7ti5sJueCU UWzI2/nVVa2rfV1Dh5Kj7pz9nUobAYZbkUlUAdYstUwMIMat7n8I2u/IkjXMSRsK1DQT 8GpqsU1Dawm+cIZwlAfpmvfSKLvqI6UnYqTWE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=Qe25uRqyaB/p4SNpvZTo3hu4ciTglgvZrlXo3gjw4LUOZUhtoHj3kKqg1kfRsM7MC1 ILH9CXdI3s0TZBX+3u6BWxlD9RtCuXIGIaJWbo/6HEaOTBuAYI9F/mQ7jV2mRxBZliBP DPZ1a576POQLciwG20xG/WPDhHSJHKSkBE6x8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.106.198 with SMTP id m46mr4817772yhg.191.1299972138283; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 15:22:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.103.137 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 15:22:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 23:22:18 +0000 Message-ID: From: "b. f." To: Mark Linimon , freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] GNU make 3.82 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bf1783@gmail.com List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 23:22:19 -0000 >On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 09:14:50PM -0800, Doug Barton wrote: >> There are way too many things happening "in private" around here and >> the only way to solve that problem is to open the doors. > >Would you please offer examples of decisions that you feel that way about? We need not look any farther than this episode to see an example of how things could have been handled better. I don't think that the course of action that was ultimately adopted was unreasonable, but did we have to wait from the 8 October, when I filed ports/151312, until your forwarded message of 11 March: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2011-March/066478.html to learn what was actually broken by the change, so that we could begin to fix it? Shortly after you sent your message to the lists, other people began to help. This could have happened a lot sooner, and we could have avoided some of this discreditable bickering. b.