From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 15 10:20:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9499116A523; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:20:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from beck.quonix.net (beck.quonix.net [64.239.136.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A75F43FEC; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:20:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from essenz@essenz.com) Received: from beck.quonix.net (localhost.quonix.net [127.0.0.1]) by beck.quonix.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h8FHJuOS006307; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:19:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (essenz@localhost)h8FHJu1v006304; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:19:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: beck.quonix.net: essenz owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:19:56 -0700 (PDT) From: John Von Essen X-X-Sender: To: Vulpes Velox In-Reply-To: <20030915115853.4836bd86.kitbsdlist2@HotPOP.com> Message-ID: <20030915100643.F5945-100000@beck.quonix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.34 cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: michael@gargantuan.com cc: 'Tom Rhodes' Subject: Re: FreeBSD Revamped Look 'n' feel: Feedback appreciated! X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 17:20:19 -0000 My thoughts.... I agree that the current site has a very good layout and design, especially the online docs. However, I feel that a few little changes could go a long way. The FreeBSD Logo could definitely use an upgrade/expansion/standardization. I am sure there is a graphics firm out there that would do this work (at a high caliber) for free - if they get a mention off the main page. And by graphics firm I dont mean some guy with Photoshop. Other little upgrades could be changes in Font/color. Also, the wording in a few places could be re-done. For example, if you go to fbsd.org/projects, it says "FreeBSD Development Projects". That makes it sound like everything found on this page is a "FreeBSD Organization" controlled project. But its not.... Many of the links go off to third-party sites, those sites sometimes appear very "homebrew-ish". -john On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Vulpes Velox wrote: > On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:17:50 +0200 > "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" wrote: > > > Michael W. Oliver wrote: > > > +--- On Sunday, September 14, 2003 21:15 --- > > > | Nigel Weeks proclaimed: > > > > *snipping some text* > > > > > | If only a site existed that (I hate to say it, it seems so shallow), > > > | looked more like redhat.com, and less like a quick hack-together. > > > | > > > | I know the FreeBSD site is great! It's quick, it's links are set out > > > | nicely, but it isn't attractive to the big-end of town. > > > | This is a very big failing. It needs to be addressed. > > > > > > I think that the maintainers of the freebsd.org site would be making a > > > mistake in changing the layout of their site. It is highly functional and > > > organized, which may not mean much to management droids, but means a great > > > deal to those of us who actually use the OS on a daily basis. > > > > Being highly functional and organized does not mean it cant look > > good. I agree that the freebsd.org website is a great resource for > > those that are already using BSD, but unfortunally I dont think it > > helps attracting new users. Its probably the other way around, the > > site may very well scare some potential BSD users away to more > > proffesional looking sites, ie Red Hat's. > > This is getting bloody annoying... wtf do you mean by proffesional? I have yet > to see what is so proffesional about redhat's site. It is badly laid out at > best. > > Yes, the FreeBSD site could possibly be rearranged to look friendlier to new > comers, but I seriously doubt copying redhat would help. Glib does not equal > proffesionalism, at best it is very unproffesional and childish. > > > > Perhaps your site can fill the void for those who aren't attracted to the > > > stock FreeBSD site. > > > > > > | I'm just trying to help by coming up with ideas, instead of shooting down > > > | others,and complaining all the time. > > > | > > > | The sooner FreeBSD takes on a professional image, the sooner it'll get > > > | accepted and treated as a professional solution. > > > | > > > | Yes, it's wrong, but it's how life is. > > > > > > What is truly wrong are people who redefine their own world to match what > > > they think others want to see, rather than doing what they themselves > > > believe to be right. > > > > What I believe is right, is giving people what they want. If people > > want something else then what I want, then who is right? > > > > Why not a compromise? Make the first page and a few of the pages > > directly below it more "commercial" looking. A nice layout with just > > the basics, explaining what FreeBSD is and where to get it. The > > rest, ie the handbook, release information etc etc, can look exactly > > like it does now. If you are looking in those sections, you are > > probably a BSD user already anyway. > > > > > Like it or not, the world is what we (you, me, everyone) make it, not what > > > others tell us it is. > > > > The world is not what you and me make it, its what everyone makes > > it. Unfortunally, you and me are a very small part of everyone, so > > we can only change that much. > > No, the world is exactly how you make it. If you don't step up to challenges > then things don't change. If you let idiots have their way with out doing any > thing about them, then they win. > > > If someone wants to polish the BSD commercial image a bit, Im all > > for it. We all know it needs it. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >