From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 5 20:08:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95EDD16A404 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 20:08:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from craig@xfoil.gank.org) Received: from ion.gank.org (ion.gank.org [69.55.238.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8243713C46A for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 20:08:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from craig@xfoil.gank.org) Received: by ion.gank.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B980E11143; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:49:32 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:49:30 -0500 From: Craig Boston To: Nikolas Britton Message-ID: <20070405194930.GC72219@nowhere> Mail-Followup-To: Craig Boston , Nikolas Britton , Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav , FreeBSD Current References: <86zm5nrllc.fsf@dwp.des.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav , FreeBSD Current Subject: Re: Do we need this junk? X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 20:08:52 -0000 On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 12:56:35PM -0500, Nikolas Britton wrote: > What you speak of is the LPC bus. LPC is intended to be a > motherboard-only bus. No connector is defined, and no LPC peripheral > daughterboards are available. > > So I come back to the question of why we have external devices from > 1987 still floating around in the kernel and more importantly why > these devices are enabled by default in the GENERIC kern conf? Don't forget about PCCard. There are still quite a few 16-bit PCCard devices floating around, especially modems. PCCard is basically ISA + some PnP magic. There are standards looming that may eventually replace it, but for now even most brand new laptops have it. ep(4) is an (E)ISA only driver, but I keep a 3Com 3CXFE574BT XJack NIC on my shelf because it _ALWAYS WORKS_. It's not fast, but when everything else is broken and you need a network connection, it certainly is handy. Craig