From owner-cvs-all Thu Jun 7 6:59:45 2001 Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3549437B401; Thu, 7 Jun 2001 06:59:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f57DwvO94545; Thu, 7 Jun 2001 06:58:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: darrenr@reed.wattle.id.au Cc: jlemon@FreeBSD.org, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/netinet fil.c ip_auth.c ip_auth.h ip_compat.h ip_fil.c ip_fil.h ip_frag.c ip_frag.h ip_ftp_pxy.c In-Reply-To: <200106071328.XAA07291@avalon.reed.wattle.id.au> References: <20010607061621U.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <200106071328.XAA07291@avalon.reed.wattle.id.au> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010607065857X.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 06:58:57 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 30 Sender: owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG From: Darren Reed Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/netinet fil.c ip_auth.c ip_auth.h ip_compat.h ip_fil.c ip_fil.h ip_frag.c ip_frag.h ip_ftp_pxy.c Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 23:28:48 +1000 (EST) > Upgrading IPFilter without upgrading FreeBSD. Users seem inclined to > do this inbetween when I update the source tree (usually because I'm Those aren't users, those are developers. The kind of users we tend to deal with wouldn't know how to selectively update part of FreeBSD (much less build it from source) if you held a gun to their heads. More to the point, the project actively discourages this kind of "upgrading" because for any particular bit of software, be it IPFilter or sendmail, we can't say anything authoritative about how well it's going to integrate in the face of other changes and that's exactly why one shouldn't upgrade piecemeal. Developers who know all of this but have the cojones to do it anyway because they know exactly what all of the inter-relationships are won't be thrown in the slightest by this change. They're already used to things moving around in the tree and compared to the amount of knowledge necessary for ensuring that taking one of your slip-stream upgrades won't be a big mistake, this is a truly minor thing to need to know about. I see another mole hill forming itself into a mountain here, and I'd think that you of all people would be shying well clear of hyper-augmented rodent mounds these days. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message