From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 18 21:21:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA02346 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 18 Mar 1995 21:21:19 -0800 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA02330 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 1995 21:21:14 -0800 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id SAA22253; Sat, 18 Mar 1995 18:03:50 -0800 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199503190203.SAA22253@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Rave rave rave To: dufault@hda.com (Peter Dufault) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 18:03:50 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199503190012.TAA03163@hda.com> from "Peter Dufault" at Mar 18, 95 07:12:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1506 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [cc: trimmed] ... > The Windows orientation of sales, and other non-technical "decision > makers" involved with computers, is our biggest challenge in > furthering FreeBSD in industry. I have clients who will have > burning bamboo splints shoved under their fingernails if Chairman > Bill says they should so that they won't miss the second coming of > Microsoft. > > I've had to "work" with Windows for a few months. There are many > young engineers (yes, you kids out there) who think it is NORMAL > to have to power cycle your computer three times a day. When in > desperation I moved some tools to an underutilized Sun system in > order to get some work done, and promptly started getting core > dumps, one of the kids said, in all honesty, "See? You have the > same kind of problem on Unix". I just stared at him. What else > could I do? That Sun had 62 days uptime, and he STILL won't grant > me that the core dump (and then debug) is better than the power > cycle. Better demo... have something compileing in one window, something your debugging in gdb in another, and then produce that core dump. Now ask this Windoze weenie what would happen to him if he even attempted to do that under Windoze... that usually sinks the point home real quick! > I'll retitle this "Rave rave rave" and I apologize to the list in > advance. :-). -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD