From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 25 01:01:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48C64106564A; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 01:01:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from onyx.glenbarber.us (onyx.glenbarber.us [IPv6:2607:fc50:1000:c200::face]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A32D8FC0A; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 01:01:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from glenbarber.us (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:8:1205:2:2:0:24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: gjb) by onyx.glenbarber.us (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6C62823F641; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 21:00:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 21:00:54 -0400 From: Glen Barber To: Jonathan Anderson Message-ID: <20120825010054.GB1345@glenbarber.us> References: <97612B57-1255-4BB3-A6D3-FC74324C6D67@FreeBSD.org> <20120824081543.GB2998@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> <50380269.6020003@FreeBSD.org> <67BB0A66-A9D2-4257-A91E-C249B8076A87@gmail.com> <20120825003346.GA1345@glenbarber.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LpQ9ahxlCli8rRTG" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT amd64 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: ports@freebsd.org, Steve Wills , Baptiste Daroussin , Doug Barton , current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 01:01:00 -0000 --LpQ9ahxlCli8rRTG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 01:47:26AM +0100, Jonathan Anderson wrote: > On Saturday, 25 August 2012 at 01:33, Glen Barber wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 01:25:15AM +0100, Jonathan Anderson wrote: > > > On 24 Aug 2012, at 23:38, Doug Barton wrote: > > > > Let me rephrase that more simply ... very few users are ever going = to > > > > need the bootstrapping tool that will be in the base. > > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > So, then they won't use it. I fail to see the problem here. >=20 > I also fail to see the problem. :) Just to be clear, my post was > arguing against Doug's assertion that few will use pkg's bootstrapper > (and that this is a problem): I hope that pkgng and package sets > will vastly increase the use of binary packages by FreeBSD consumers. > =20 I was avoiding writing two separate emails about this thread - yes, I did realize we had a similar point of view on this. Sorry if it came out differently. > > /usr/sbin/pkg installs /usr/local/sbin/pkg without requiring the Ports > > Collection to be available locally. >=20 > Which is exactly the behaviour that I want: I view the ports tree > as a last resort to be used only if binary packages fail to fulfil > my needs. Sometimes I don't even bother fetching it. Once again, > we may be in violent agreement here. :) >=20 Understood. I misinterpreted your last sentence. What I would like to know, is why all the anti-progress emails[1] have to wait until the Last Minute(tm) when information on pkgng availability has been available for quite some time now. Welcome to 2012. [1] - Doing the same things we've done keeps us in the same place we've been. Glen --LpQ9ahxlCli8rRTG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJQOCPGAAoJEFJPDDeguUajGhoIALYeuhge8MCmhZ2KwhNBxwvi sNBcE25EtIPkNTe/ikUZ5gRa1tp1LeLXCiPO/yetbsXNlq22m1VmxA/L/vg+Wp2B lku5V97gHSyiJseZdFZx0ZK2EKglM7NbIrLOOKBPK9AtqSqF5Bp+Dpp6niElET+S 6KuEBOuigDKybiDMu8is8/SLiJe9aa0Sf3GPvSDVWcXKoXtE3gnQ6Y4JxsOfA6tn 8oI4GteORJFTrj8zPP6ArifnoWZ9e9bgIrwjdbzkkHotjAykk7e53R+Qu3tD7l7D HGzl/sHFDGBPaI6ewIEuyDVB7svbtETbZSsoxRrPUZ6P+iE03HsR2NU9pcHYgn8= =013n -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LpQ9ahxlCli8rRTG--