From owner-freebsd-current Sun Jan 10 07:44:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA03957 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 07:44:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA03952 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 07:44:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.56.131]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA5744; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 16:44:11 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19990109022455.A12911@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 16:51:43 +0100 (CET) Organization: Ninth Circle Enterprises From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Nik Clayton Subject: Re: rc.conf and linux=yes Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 09-Jan-99 Nik Clayton wrote: > On Fri, Jan 08, 1999 at 05:17:12PM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >> Hmmm. Urk. You're right, of course, but now I'm even more loath to >> give the essential idea up. Perhaps a knob in the installation >> instead which does both the rc.conf tweak and the pkg_add. Yes, >> that's the ticket. OK, we can turn it back off by default again. :-) > If an rc.conf tweak and a pkg_add is so trivial to do at sysinstall time, > could we have another one that says "I'd rather have PostFix installed > instead of Sendmail please" that does the right thing? Assuming, of > course, that PostFix was ported instead of pulled in to contrib/. > > Granted, this won't fix the "PostFix should be rebuilt by 'make world' > the same way that sendmail is" problem, but the linux libs aren't updated > either, and they seem to be a fairly essential part of the sytem :-) Well, I won't go into the debate of PostFix vs SendMail vs QMail vs CannedSpam vs IDunno, but I think we need to define something once and for all, because I see way too many contradictions in my opinion. At one side we are modularising everything (CAM, A*D (the IDE layer), new syscons, VM, ports) and at the other side we are pulling more proprietary stuff in contrib. Given the fact that we have a workable package solution I do not see the relevance of not putting those mailers or other relevant software in ports and mayhaps make a special menu item for them in sysinstall. Heck, I'd even help out once I figure out the how and why ;) Given the fact that FreeBSD will be used more and more as a replacement of Windows 95 for some users, they will not require a MTA to be present at default install... --- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven A veil of smoke is what I am, asmodai(at)wxs.nl I wait and I wait... Network/Security Specialist BSD & picoBSD: The Power to Serve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message