From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jul 30 00:52:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA16836 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 00:52:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mescaline.gnu.ai.mit.edu (devnull@mescaline.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA16830 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 00:52:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mescaline.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12GNU) id DAA15637; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 03:53:16 -0400 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 03:53:16 -0400 Message-Id: <199707300753.DAA15637@mescaline.gnu.ai.mit.edu> From: "Joel N. Weber II" To: ahd@kew.com CC: andrew@python.shoal.net.au, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199707300015.UAA04770@pandora.hh.kew.com> (message from Drew Derbyshire on Tue, 29 Jul 1997 20:15:32 -0400 (EDT)) Subject: Re: HOTMAIL.COM, JUNO.COM, etc.... x-url: http://www.red-bean.com/~nemo x-attribution: nemo x-foobar: Save energy: Drive a smaller shell. Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 20:15:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Drew Derbyshire However, the cheaper it is is define a user id on a site, the more likely it is is that a spammer will use it. Hotmail and Juno, being free, makes them easy targets. Are you sure juno is free? I thought you paid like $5 a month. Most of the SPAM I've seen recently has been from either large sites (usally forged) or totally bogus names -- Earthlink, CIS, AOL, ATT, and Hotmail seem popular for return addresses this month. This could be because it is hard to ban such legitmate large sites -- I lose two family family members if I ban ATT, one if I ban Hotmail, and one if I ban Prodigy. (And this doesn't count friends, FreeBSD hackers, etc.) I actually accept mail only from such large sites when the mail comes from a relay within the domain, and I also don't let their relays send me mail from third party sites. Both rules cut down on the SPAM, since mismatches indicate forged mail. (These rules required a sendmail source hack ... *sigh*) So what happens if I set my address to devnull@gnu.ai.mit.edu, but I send the message from some random dialup of some random ISP in Hawaii? Doesn't that mean my mail will get lost?