From owner-cvs-all Thu Sep 7 12: 1:29 2000 Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41D1637B423; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:01:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24876; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:00:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com) To: mjacob@feral.com Cc: Nik Clayton , Warner Losh , "David E. O'Brien" , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/boot/common boot.c module.c src/sys/boot/forth loader.conf src/sys/conf Makefile.alpha Makefile.i386 Makefile.pc98 kmod.mk src/share/mk bsd.own.mk In-Reply-To: Message from Matthew Jacob of "Thu, 07 Sep 2000 11:33:21 PDT." Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 12:00:59 -0700 Message-ID: <24866.968353259@winston.osd.bsdi.com> From: Jordan Hubbard Sender: owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > However, communications about who's doing what is quite ad hoc. This tends to > lead to impressions of "drive by commits" and "old boy's networks". This may > be a feature. I would be the first to agree that communications and documentation could be a lot better in the FreeBSD project. What's never been made clear to me or anyone else, however, is just how to magically make it all better. Getting docs or timely status reports out of PAID engineers is already so much of a chore that it remains a mystery to me just how we're supposed to motivate unpaid volunteers to do a better job. I know brow-beating them about it certainly doesn't work since it just raises the bar and tends to make them inclined to do even less. That's why I've always reacted rather adversely to folks who chime in with rose-colored suggestions to the tune of "all FreeBSD needs is for developers to start ..." where "..." can be filled in with all the various unpleasant tasks that nobody wants to do. The people suggesting that such be done are also invariably the very last to volunteer (or, even better, actually do) such things themselves which both proves my point and adds some insult to injury. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message