From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 17:08:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA03563 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:08:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA03500 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:08:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24833; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:37:52 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id LAA04709; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:37:51 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980130113751.52742@lemis.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:37:51 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: dmaddox@scsn.net Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The BSD License References: <19980129190335.64088@scsn.net> <19980130105847.60343@lemis.com> <19980129194229.16307@scsn.net> <19980130111804.13786@lemis.com> <19980129195623.55979@scsn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <19980129195623.55979@scsn.net>; from Charlie Root on Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 07:56:23PM -0500 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 07:56:23PM -0500, Donald J. Maddox, masquerading as Charlie Root, wrote: > On Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 11:18:04AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 07:42:29PM -0500, Donald J. Maddox wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for the reply, Greg... This interpretation is pretty close to >>> what I got out of it. So, I guess this means if I want to be able to >>> include STAC compression into FreeBSD, then _they_ have to be willing >>> to allow STAC to be distributed with no further restrictions than the >>> above... Is that right? >> >> If they want to distribute it under a Berkeley license, yes. Unlike >> the GPL, there's no obligation to distribute *everything* in a product >> under this license, however. In the terminology of the GPL opponents, >> the Berkeley license doens't infect software it touches. > > Ok, now you've confused me :-/ Exactly what restrictions are acceptable > on code distributed with the base system, like ppp? What are some examples > of what _is not_ acceptable? Hmm. As I said, I *certainly* don't speak for the FreeBSD project. What I understand is: 1. Most of the stuff in /usr/src is covered by a Berkeley license. 2. Stuff in /usr/src/gnu is covered by GPL. PPP is mainly covered by a Berkeley-style license (i.e. the conditions are the same, but it doesn't (always) mention Berkeley). Some of the modules are in the Public Domain. You can take the code and make your own product out of it if you want, and you are under no obligation to put it under the Berkeley license. On the other hand, it wouldn't be acceptable to pretend you wrote it all yourself, nor to hide the fact that the software was derived from Berkeley-licensed software, nor to distribute it without saying so. Particularly this last proviso is a problem. When did you last see System V.4 software which prominently stated "Derived from software written by the University of California, Berkeley, and its contributors"? Greg