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From: Darren Reed <darrenr@reed.wattle.id.au>
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Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/netinet fil.c ip_auth.c ip_auth.h ip_compat.h         ip_fil.c ip_fil.h ip_frag.c ip_frag.h ip_ftp_pxy.c
In-Reply-To: <20010607065857X.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> from Jordan Hubbard at "Jun 7, 1 06:58:57 am"
To: jkh@osd.bsdi.com (Jordan Hubbard)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 00:06:56 +1000 (EST)
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In some email I received from Jordan Hubbard, sie wrote:
> From: Darren Reed <darrenr@reed.wattle.id.au>
> Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/netinet fil.c ip_auth.c ip_auth.h ip_compat.h         ip_fil.c ip_fil.h ip_frag.c ip_frag.h ip_ftp_pxy.c
> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 23:28:48 +1000 (EST)
> 
> > Upgrading IPFilter without upgrading FreeBSD.  Users seem inclined to
> > do this inbetween when I update the source tree (usually because I'm
> 
> Those aren't users, those are developers.  The kind of users we tend
> to deal with wouldn't know how to selectively update part of FreeBSD
> (much less build it from source) if you held a gun to their heads.

ok.

> More to the point, the project actively discourages this kind of
> "upgrading" because for any particular bit of software, be it IPFilter
> or sendmail, we can't say anything authoritative about how well it's
> going to integrate in the face of other changes and that's exactly why
> one shouldn't upgrade piecemeal.

Sounds reasonable to me.

> Developers who know all of this but have the cojones to do it anyway
> because they know exactly what all of the inter-relationships are
> won't be thrown in the slightest by this change.  They're already used
> to things moving around in the tree and compared to the amount of
> knowledge necessary for ensuring that taking one of your slip-stream
> upgrades won't be a big mistake, this is a truly minor thing to need
> to know about.

I'm happy with that and I'm sure they'll learn to deal.

Darren

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