From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 3 17:32:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 655E51065679 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:32:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CF4C8FC17 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:32:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7367AFC1FE; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 08:32:10 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 08:32:10 -0900 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <49AA41F2.9060801@a1poweruser.com> <200902282359.24584.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> <49ab13fb.s7xXxGuXI7v/zFQ3%perryh@pluto.rain.com> In-Reply-To: <49ab13fb.s7xXxGuXI7v/zFQ3%perryh@pluto.rain.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200903030832.10672.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: perryh@pluto.rain.com, fbsd1@a1poweruser.com Subject: Re: portmanager/portmaster like application for packages? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:32:13 -0000 On Sunday 01 March 2009 14:02:19 perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > Mel wrote: > > On Saturday 28 February 2009 23:06:10 Fbsd1 wrote: > > > I am looking for software like portmanager/portmaster but works > > > on the package system instead of the port system. Is there such > > > am application available? > > > > Not (yet). Without /usr/ports it's impossible to find out what > > software needs updating, or you'd have to download and trust the > > INDEX-7 on the FreeBSD package servers. > > ... which may not be much of a stretch for those who are prepared > to download and trust the packages themselves, from the same place. It is a stretch in practice. The INDEX is based on /usr/ports, which is ahead of the packages that are actually compiled on the buildservers. > portupgrade -PP manages somehow. Not somehow, but because it works with /usr/ports. Try renaming your ports directory and see how that goes. Also, -PP wastes a lot of bandwidth. Just look at the ammount of packages that are downloaded which aren't actually installed, because the version is older or equal then installed. > BTW, the OP may not realize that > "the package system" is a subset of "the port system", rather than > an alternative. Packages are generated using the port system. It's an alternative way to install the same software. One can in fact use packages without having /usr/ports present at all. I'm using my own tools, using a custom INDEX format on the build server. But there's still too many raw edges that I'd like the tools released into the wild. -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part.